Re: Insane in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r19586253 en Fri, 29 Aug 2008 23:09:41 EDT Fri, 29 Aug 2008 23:09:41 EDT Re: Insane http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19592741 huntml : Dude. It's one thing to be a shill, but posting such absurd, intelligence-insulting arguments: have you no self-respect whatsoever? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19592741 Sun, 09 Dec 2007 17:04:00 EDT Re: Insane http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19587361 DotMac :
said by cmaenginsb See Profile :

How does paying more for the loop than what it costs Vz to maintain constitute a free ride?
In telco shill logic, anything short of Verizon doing anything it wants constitutes a free ride.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19587361 Sat, 08 Dec 2007 15:45:34 EDT Re: Insane http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19587358 DotMac :
said by CrazyTown :

Then the government could reimburse them for the Maint of the network and the cost of running service to every customer that wants a phone, no matter what the cost was.. I would say Verizon would make out to the good in that deal.
They do get money for rural deployment, it's call the USF and they do make out good in that deal, often too good as the USF if ripe with fraud. And these USF free-bes are in addition to the billions they stole from taxpayers like those in Pennsylvania who were promised fiber deployment in exchange for $2.1 billion taxpayer dollars.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19587358 Sat, 08 Dec 2007 15:44:45 EDT Re: Insane http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19587263 cmaenginsb : How does paying more for the loop than what it costs Vz to maintain constitute a free ride?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19587263 Sat, 08 Dec 2007 15:28:45 EDT Re: Insane http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19586757 hescominsoon :
said by CrazyTown :

Im sure Verizon would pay back the money they were given to build the Network.. Then the government could reimburse them for the Maint of the network and the cost of running service to every customer that wants a phone, no matter what the cost was.. I would say Verizon would make out to the good in that deal.. These companies should have started putting in a network when they had the chance.. Everyone wants Verizon to Maint the Network and they just ride for free, which is what they are doing with the current regulations..
You're living in a different world than this one... All of the incumbents have never given a dime back except when forced to by the courts..and that has been as rare as hen's teeth.
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said by DotMac See Profile :

AT&T will take joy in doing it without any lube.
I stand corrected :D
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19586564 Sat, 08 Dec 2007 12:49:12 EDT Re: Insane http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19586562 DotMac : AT&T will take joy in doing it without any lube.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19586562 Sat, 08 Dec 2007 12:47:45 EDT Re: Insane http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19586538 Jigsaw :
said by rcdailey See Profile :

I wonder whether this case will affect AT&T with regard to their territory and their business customers?
Im sure there getting the lube ready as we speak.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19586538 Sat, 08 Dec 2007 12:43:14 EDT Re: Insane http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19586458 rcdailey : I wonder whether this case will affect AT&T with regard to their territory and their business customers?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19586458 Sat, 08 Dec 2007 12:25:38 EDT Re: Insane http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19586253 DotMac : So what. I own a small business (sole proprietorship) and use DSL as a backup to my Covad Wireless service which could also be impacted by this ruling. My business isn't large enough to warrant paying hundreds a month for T-1 service and I rely on reasonably priced telco wireline data service to conduct my business either directly from Verizon or through resellers of Verizon.

The lameasses at the FCC just gave Verizon the carte blanche to bend me and Covad over for their service and eliminate competitors despite Verizon taking billions in taxpayer dollars (including those $$$ paid by small business owners just like me). Verizon has a long history of overcharging business for services and this will just turn bad into worse.

If Verizon wants to give back the billions they stole from taxpayers, I would reconsider my position.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19586253 Sat, 08 Dec 2007 11:47:18 EDT Re: Insane http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19586224 TK Junk Mail :
said by DotMac See Profile :

So now, not only do they get to thieve billions from Joe Taxpayer for deployments that never happened, they take sole ownership (read no competition from line sharing) to then put Joe Taxpayer over a barrel.
See »The dereg approved by court only applies to Businesses above. The dereg only applied to businesses and not residences.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19586224 Sat, 08 Dec 2007 11:41:12 EDT Insane http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19586217 DotMac : Since Verizon took BILLIONS in taxpayer money, they should be compelled to play by some simple pro-consumer rules like line sharing.

So now, not only do they get to thieve billions from Joe Taxpayer for deployments that never happened, they take sole ownership (read no competition from line sharing) to then put Joe Taxpayer over a barrel.

Thanks FCC, you stupid f*cks.
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