P Ness
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Mineola, NY
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| Can't support, But will sell it, Advertise it as 100mbps
just like their "unlimited" features...which are really not unlimited at all
they will sell the 100 and if you even get it once they will call it correct
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MarkyD
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clubs: | this is no different than what cable does now. If everyone in my neighborhood used their 12/1 pipe to full capacity, the network would slow to a crawl.
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tiger72
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Saint Louis, MO
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said by P Ness  :just like their "unlimited" features...which are really not unlimited at all they will sell the 100 and if you even get it once they will call it correct so?
At this point, not very many people would actually use it. Having faster downloads (thus speeding up transfers) would also mean that when people actually use those pipes (and on the exceedingly rare occasion that the SERVER can actually send at 100mbps), users will finish their files quickly and be done with their downloading, freeing up bandwidth quicker.
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TKJunkMail
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Avalon, NJ
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said by P Ness :just like their "unlimited" features...which are really not unlimited at all they will sell the 100 and if you even get it once they will call it correct No different than what is offered in Japan & South Korea. Some high density areas offer 50 mbps to apartments and homes, but their backbones can't deliver that to everyone all the time. They use over-subscription methods there to. What many refuse to accept is that it is financially impossible to offer those speeds if the users use the bandwidth for more than a small % of the time. That is why the non-stop 24x7 P2P model is so detrimental to network management. If a system had to actually deliver 100 mbps to every home 100% of the time, no one could afford to pay for it.
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moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
 ·Verizon Online DSL
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said by tiger72 :so? At this point, not very many people would actually use it. Having faster downloads (thus speeding up transfers) would also mean that when people actually use those pipes (and on the exceedingly rare occasion that the SERVER can actually send at 100mbps), users will finish their files quickly and be done with their downloading, freeing up bandwidth quicker.
I seriously would like to do this as a real world test.
Would network traffic go down if people got their files faster? |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA | Traffic won't decrease, but the amount of time users spend waiting online will. |
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Jerm
join:2000-04-10
Richland, WA
| reply to TKJunkMail
Verizon's current Fios has 622mbit per 32 users. Next gen is 2.4gbit per 32 (or 64).
Cable with DOCSIS 1-2 is running 38mbit SHARED between all users on that leg of the node (can be between 50-250).
Give me Fios any day, thanks!
Or a better analogy:
Do you build a dedicated lane for each car on freeway? |
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Fubar
join:2001-02-20
Phoenix, AZ | AS the article pointed out.... What about the CO? |
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espaeth
Digital Plumber
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join:2001-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
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| reply to moonpuppy
said by moonpuppy :Would network traffic go down if people got their files faster? Does your savings account balance get larger every time you get a raise? |
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rcdailey
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join:2005-03-29
Rialto, CA | reply to moonpuppy
That's like asking whether getting a larger hard drive will reduce the amount of stored data, or asking whether getting more RAM will reduce the amount of memory being used. |
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Anon5798
@cox.net
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said by TKJunkMail :said by P Ness :just like their "unlimited" features...which are really not unlimited at all they will sell the 100 and if you even get it once they will call it correct No different than what is offered in Japan & South Korea. Some high density areas offer 50 mbps to apartments and homes, but their backbones can't deliver that to everyone all the time. They use over-subscription methods there to. What many refuse to accept is that it is financially impossible to offer those speeds if the users use the bandwidth for more than a small % of the time. That is why the non-stop 24x7 P2P model is so detrimental to network management. If a system had to actually deliver 100 mbps to every home 100% of the time, no one could afford to pay for it. Actually I would like to point out that in South Korea, some fiber hubs have been, for the time being, "blacked-out" due to massive overbuilding approx. (under-utilization) 5 years ago. Also, i would like to point out that 100+ mbps speeds were offered (~3 years ago) on a major cable provider in Seoul. What people would refer to as the "backbone" of South Korea has never even come close to saturation. |
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EnasYorl
Thieves World
join:2001-12-02
West
·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to MarkyD
said by MarkyD :this is no different than what cable does now. If everyone in my neighborhood used their 12/1 pipe to full capacity, the network would slow to a crawl. There is a huge difference.
G-PON is only 32 homes
HFC plant 300 to 2000 homes. |
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moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to rcdailey
said by rcdailey :That's like asking whether getting a larger hard drive will reduce the amount of stored data, or asking whether getting more RAM will reduce the amount of memory being used. Not really.
It's like if the streets were wider, could they handle more cars more efficiently than a narrower road. |
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itguy35
@charter.com
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I can say from experience that when users are given more bandwidth, they use more bandwidth. I recently doubled the bandwidth for a 500 PC network in July. Since the users have realized that more bandwith is available at their disposal, average daily incoming traffic has already increased by 30%. No PCs have been added to the network during this time frame. I anticipate that within the next 24 months this network will require 100mbps WAN connectivity to deliver acceptable service to clients. |
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