Black Moon
join:2005-02-01
Scarborough, ON
 ·TekSavvy Solutions..
| IKNS remotes
Dear all,
I am curious to know if some of you are connected to a remote whose vendor specs are 'IKNS'. It appears from a few posts on a different forum (moderator: I know this may not be directly Sympatico related, but please hear me out) that some people who are connected to these remotes have a very low SNR for the upload (usually 6.0) and a rather high attenuation (usually 20.5), are on interleaved profile because of this even though their linestats for downstream are otherwise very good.
If you are connected to a remote, could you please post a screenshot of your linestats here?
Here is an example of mine, taken with a 2Wire modem:
DSL Line (Wire Pair): Line 1 (inner pair)
Protocol: G.DMT Annex A
Downstream Rate: 5056 kbps
Upstream Rate: 800 kbps
Channel: Interleaved
Current Noise Margin: 28.0 dB (Downstream), 6.0 dB (Upstream)
Current Attenuation: 4.9 dB (Downstream), 20.5 dB (Upstream)
Current Output Power: 9.6 dBm (Downstream), 12.5 dBm (Upstream)
DSLAM Vendor Information: Country: {0xB5} Vendor: {IKNS} Specific: {0x01}
PVC Info: 0/35
Notice the IKNS vendor spec.
Thanks in advance,
BM |
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mlerner
Premium
join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON
 ·Rogers Hi-Speed
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Bell Sympatico
| From what I gather from the thread in the Teksavvy forum and this post: »High ping latency with 2Wire Modem
It would appear to me that these remotes have a misconfigured upstream whether it was changed by Bell for technical reasons or set by the vendor themselves (though unlikely) and that results in the line set to interleave. In the thread I mentioned, it doesn't appear that even Bell knew what the cause was so I am also eager to know what the issue is here. |
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Black Moon
join:2005-02-01
Scarborough, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| That's why I started this thread and I hope the mods won't delete it, even though it was basically started in the Teksavvy area. If there are more people having this issue, we might have someone higher up the chain (maybe Glen1 or Deadpool) bring up this issue with Bell. |
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Deadpool
Go Sens Go
Premium,VIP
join:2001-03-29
Canada
·Bell Sympatico
| reply to Black Moon
I am more then willing to investigate any issues, I just need some more data to correlate.
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Black Moon
join:2005-02-01
Scarborough, ON | There is a thread in the Teksavvy forum where this is pointed out, but there are far too few posters yet. As you said: more data is needed.
Thanks anyway |
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sMURF
join:2007-02-27
Toronto, ON
| reply to Deadpool
said by Deadpool  :I am more then willing to investigate any issues, I just need some more data to correlate. How much more data? And what kind?
»Anyone know anything about "IKNS" remotes?
In my post on the TekSavvy forum, I've linked to at least 5 different people who appear to have the same issue as me, and I'm sure there are more, but they just haven't made a thread about it. |
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DKS
Damn Kidney Stones
Premium,ExMod 2002
join:2001-03-22
Owen Sound, ON
clubs:
·Bell Sympatico
| reply to Black Moon
If you are on a remote AND on ADSL2+, your attenuation will be lower that the minimum 6dB (as it appears to be) and you will be on interleaved channel and not fastpath. ADSL2+ is always interleaved and only induces a 10ms penalty. Though I am not certain, I wonder if that is your situation, though the protocol is G.DMT Annex A (which is regular DSL).
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Black Moon
join:2005-02-01
Scarborough, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
1 edit | sMurf: Enough data so that Deadpool or someone else higher up the chain will contact Bell and ask them to look into this issue. I don't know what the threshold is. What kind of data? Basically linestats of people who are on IKNS remotes and their geographic location.
DKS: My ping times to the first hop are about 45 ms, suggesting regular ADSL. As you said, the protocol states I am on a regular ADSL profile. And it's the SNR we are talking about, not the attenuation. |
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DKS
Damn Kidney Stones
Premium,ExMod 2002
join:2001-03-22
Owen Sound, ON
clubs:
·Bell Sympatico
| said by Black Moon :sMurf: Enough data so that Deadpool or someone else higher up the chain will contact Bell and ask them to look into this issue. I don't know what the threshold is. What kind of data? Basically linestats of people who are on IKNS remotes and their geographic location. DKS: My ping times to the first hop are about 45 ms, suggesting regular ADSL. As you said, the protocol states I am on a regular ADSL profile. And it's the SNR we are talking about, not the attenuation. Deadpool is high enough in the Bell chain that he will ask for what he needs.
Thank you for the clarification. However, DP's first guess, that your port is not correctly configured, sounds quite plausible. And no, it's not a Bell plot.
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Deadpool
Go Sens Go
Premium,VIP
join:2001-03-29
Canada
·Bell Sympatico
| reply to Black Moon
I spoke to a colleague of mine in regards to this and he/I need telephone numbers folks...PM me if you have this issue and refer to this thread, please.
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Black Moon
join:2005-02-01
Scarborough, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| reply to DKS
said by DKS :And no, it's not a Bell plot. I never suggested it was. I read a few other topics on this forum where people have excellent stats but low SNR (6) for uploads. e.g. »low snr upload |
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Deadpool
Go Sens Go
Premium,VIP
join:2001-03-29
Canada
·Bell Sympatico
| reply to DKS
So I've also confirmed that there's a bug on the Lucent equipment that causes the modem to display that you're on an interleaved profile, however you are in fact on a fast channel profile.
Lucent is investigating.
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Black Moon
join:2005-02-01
Scarborough, ON | With a 45 ms ping to the first hop (as I always have), that can't be fastpath? |
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Deadpool
Go Sens Go
Premium,VIP
join:2001-03-29
Canada
·Bell Sympatico
| said by Black Moon :With a 45 ms ping to the first hop (as I always have), that can't be fastpath? I've confirmed you are on fastpath.
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sMURF
join:2007-02-27
Toronto, ON | reply to Black Moon
My modem also says interleave, while TekSavvy says it shows me as being on fastpath from their end. My second hop ping is 45ms, compared to the 10ms I used to get before I was moved to a remote.
Deadpool, I've sent you a PM. |
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DKS
Damn Kidney Stones
Premium,ExMod 2002
join:2001-03-22
Owen Sound, ON
clubs:
·Bell Sympatico
| reply to Black Moon
said by Black Moon :said by DKS :And no, it's not a Bell plot. I never suggested it was. Others in the TekSavvy thread have, however.
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sMURF
join:2007-02-27
Toronto, ON | reply to Black Moon
Is there any update to this issue yet? I'm getting tired of the 45ms ping on the first hop. |
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Deadpool
Go Sens Go
Premium,VIP
join:2001-03-29
Canada
·Bell Sympatico
| I've been on vacation the last week and half and so has my colleague who is working on this problem.
Not that it really matters though since he can't investigate, test or implement a solution at this time due to the brownout period at Bell Canada.
I'll know more next week.
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theninjasqua
join:2007-09-26
Oakville, ON | Brownout period?
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sbrook
Premium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0 | That period around Christmas/New Years when staffing is lower than normal. |
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