wifi4milez
Big Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
join:2004-08-07
New York, NY
 ·Verizon FIOS
 ·Sprint Mobile Broa..
 ·RoadRunner Cable
 ·BroadVoice
| ATT's solution isnt bad
So many people on this site knock ATT's service simply because it isnt FIOS. The reality is that such a small percentage of customers (relatively speaking) can get FIOS that its not fair to consider it the "standard" as many people here do. ATT will be able to deploy their solution far faster, and for far less money than Verizon will. Using pair bonding and/or VDSL2 they will be able to offer 100Mbps up/down, which will certainly enough for the next few years.
ATT is not run by a bunch of morons, and there is a reason they are as successful at running a business as they are. They clearly see where the market is going and have plans to address it. Anyone who thinks ATT will stick with 6Mbps for the long term should have their head examined. Realistically speaking however, 6Mbps is a far better download speed than most people (in the US) get anyway, and its only people on this site that are whining. The vast majority of Americans would be more than happy with 6Mbps (if they even cared at all!), and in fact U-verse could very well be an upgrade for them.
The bottom line is that not everyone needs/wants fiber nor symmetrical speeds at this point in time. I dont doubt the U-verse would have a hard time competing in a FIOS market, but then again they could simply make it a cheaper alternative. Not everyone is driven by bandwidth (yes, I know its hard to believe for some of you!) and price can often impact a decision more than a download speed can.
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verolom
join:2002-03-23
Eagleville, PA
·Comcast
| Uhm, how do you know that AT&T is not run by a bunch of morons? Do you work for them, play golf together, members of the same yacht club?
Define moron first. If I want a particular service and I am willing to pay for it, but the company doesn't offer it because they think otherwise, does that make them a bunch of morons? |
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wifi4milez
Big Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
join:2004-08-07
New York, NY
·Verizon FIOS
·Sprint Mobile Broa..
·RoadRunner Cable
·BroadVoice
| said by verolom  :If I want a particular service and I am willing to pay for it, but the company doesn't offer it because they think otherwise, does that make them a bunch of morons? No, it simply means you are not in their service area. They would be morons if they spent a few hundred thousand dollars to light up a CO just so they could serve one customer (you) however. Economics 101 my friend.......
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Mizzat
Will post for thumbs
Premium
join:2003-05-03
Atlanta, GA | reply to verolom
Not if you're the minority. |
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verolom
join:2002-03-23
Eagleville, PA | reply to wifi4milez
Actually it costs a tad more than that to light an office, but it really demonstrates the short term thinking and the lack of responsiveness. The company used to set market trends, not follow them years behind. It's sad. |
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stunod2002
join:2003-11-07
Carol Stream, IL
| said by verolom :Actually it costs a tad more than that to light an office, but it really demonstrates the short term thinking and the lack of responsiveness. The company used to set market trends, not follow them years behind. It's sad. They did?? Hmmm.. From what I remember AT&T only deployed services that were profitable..
Take ISDN for example.. It has been around since the 70's but never really got distributed until the 90's.. When market demands allowed for a nice ROI..
Moving to the here and now.. VDSL2+ is relatively new.. they are already deploying like crazy in just a few years time. I find that much better then how it used to be.. |
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verolom
join:2002-03-23
Eagleville, PA | Sounds like you only remember the profitable services. Think CallVantage... |
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Tzale
Proud Libertarian Conservative
Premium
join:2004-01-06
Sweden
·Verizon FIOS
·Optimum Online
| reply to wifi4milez
said by wifi4milez :So many people on this site knock ATT's service simply because it isnt FIOS. The reality is that such a small percentage of customers (relatively speaking) can get FIOS that its not fair to consider it the "standard" as many people here do. ATT will be able to deploy their solution far faster, and for far less money than Verizon will. Using pair bonding and/or VDSL2 they will be able to offer 100Mbps up/down, which will certainly enough for the next few years. ATT is not run by a bunch of morons, and there is a reason they are as successful at running a business as they are. They clearly see where the market is going and have plans to address it. Anyone who thinks ATT will stick with 6Mbps for the long term should have their head examined. Realistically speaking however, 6Mbps is a far better download speed than most people (in the US) get anyway, and its only people on this site that are whining. The vast majority of Americans would be more than happy with 6Mbps (if they even cared at all!), and in fact U-verse could very well be an upgrade for them. The bottom line is that not everyone needs/wants fiber nor symmetrical speeds at this point in time. I dont doubt the U-verse would have a hard time competing in a FIOS market, but then again they could simply make it a cheaper alternative. Not everyone is driven by bandwidth (yes, I know its hard to believe for some of you!) and price can often impact a decision more than a download speed can. I'll believe it when I see it... FIOS is expanding rapidly... It's not a "small" percentage of people.
-Tzale |
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kcir
join:2005-07-30
Butner, NC
| reply to wifi4milez
said by wifi4milez :... ATT is not run by a bunch of morons, and there is a reason they are as successful at running a business as they are. ... The biggest reason they are successful : Their mostly a monopoly. |
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djrobx
join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA
·PHONE POWER
·AT&T U-Verse
·AT&T CallVantage
·Time Warner VOIP
·RoadRunner Cable
| reply to wifi4milez
I think that's a bit shortsighted. What AT&T does now with U-Verse will affect its customers for the next 5-10 years, at a minimum. They're deploying a system that's feeling a bandwidth crunch right out of the gate.
Competitive pressure is going to make U-Verse look like a dog from all angles.
Even if they manage to squeeze another HD stream, is that really enough? Dual streams is needed for a single TV for recording shows that conflict. What happens when the family buys another HDTV flatscreen for the bedroom? There's only two of us and we utilize all four of our HD tuners at times. May not seem like a big deal now. But DirecTV is pushing HDTV hard. They may very well usher in a time when all major channels have a HD counterpart.
According to early articles about this, AT&T seemed to be banking on "compression" to solve their bandwidth issues. There are practical limits on how much you can compress a HD stream and not have it noticeable, especially with fast moving sporting events.
Same goes with internet. 6/1 may seem like plenty now. Just 5 years ago it was a lot of speed! Comcast and other cable companies just kept pushing that bar higher. Now it's just "average". Cable has Docsis 3 in its sights to continue pushing the bar up. I agree with you that most average surfers don't really notice the difference between 1.5mbps and 6mbps. But people who don't know better still want the best. Most people don't "need" big engines in their cars but they buy them anyway.
Bottom line as far as I can tell, they're going to need to DOUBLE the spec. They need to get their pair-bonding gateways ready sooner rather than later! |
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pcnetworx1
join:2005-09-21
Bethel Park, PA | reply to verolom
AT&T isn't making money on Callvantage? Then why are they offering it as their primary offering on their site? |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH | Gotta make up money some how they're losing from their POTS why not use VoIP. Plus its available around the country. AT&T's POTS isnt. |
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tc1uscg
join:2005-03-09
Saint Clair Shores, MI
| reply to wifi4milez
said by wifi4milez :So many people on this site knock ATT's service simply because it isnt FIOS. The reality is that such a small percentage of customers (relatively speaking) can get FIOS that its not fair to consider it the "standard" as many people here do. ATT will be able to deploy their solution far faster, and for far less money than Verizon will. Using pair bonding and/or VDSL2 they will be able to offer 100Mbps up/down, which will certainly enough for the next few years. ATT is not run by a bunch of morons, and there is a reason they are as successful at running a business as they are. They clearly see where the market is going and have plans to address it. Anyone who thinks ATT will stick with 6Mbps for the long term should have their head examined. Realistically speaking however, 6Mbps is a far better download speed than most people (in the US) get anyway, and its only people on this site that are whining. The vast majority of Americans would be more than happy with 6Mbps (if they even cared at all!), and in fact U-verse could very well be an upgrade for them. The bottom line is that not everyone needs/wants fiber nor symmetrical speeds at this point in time. I dont doubt the U-verse would have a hard time competing in a FIOS market, but then again they could simply make it a cheaper alternative. Not everyone is driven by bandwidth (yes, I know its hard to believe for some of you!) and price can often impact a decision more than a download speed can. Finally, someone who has a clue.. good post. However, I can't get an answer as to why AT&T put a STOP on deploying u-Verse in the burbs of Detroit. A buddy works for that group and they got him only working 3 days a week now. They have stopped installations for the time being. As for Verizon. Your right. The FEW select markets that have it are no where near the coverage area for AT&T. The cost alone is what keeps VZ in check. However, there are some markets, like Detroit, they will never come here. At least when you ask VZ people in this area about FIOS, they say, "What's that?". nuff said.  |
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verolom
join:2002-03-23
Eagleville, PA | reply to pcnetworx1
Not anymore. They are no longer marketing the service and number of subscribers is not growing. |
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wifi4milez
Big Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
join:2004-08-07
New York, NY
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| reply to wifi4milez
For further clarification as to why the speeds being offered by ATT are more than adequate, check here:
»U.S. Consumers Pay More For Triple Play
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