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defaultPlay56

join:2007-11-30
Collegeville, PA

Actiontec Limitations

I've heard that the Verizon supplied Actiontec MI424WR router has several limitations. What exactly are they?

Also, if this router has several limitations, why is Verizon using it if it drags down FiOS capabilities?


NOYB
St. John 3.16
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join:2005-12-15
Forest Grove, OR
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All routers, even commercial ones costing tens of thousands of dollars, have several limitations.

Is there something specific you heard or are interested in?


KenAF

join:2006-01-23
Arlington, VA

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reply to defaultPlay56
The primary limitations of the Actiontec are:

(1) smaller NAT table than some consumer routers, which makes it less than perfect for p2p;

(2) limited wireless range and reduced wireless throughput (due to weak signals).

I don't think Verizon really wants to go out of its way encourage p2p use, so I doubt they consider #1 a problem.

You can replace the default antenna on the Actiontec with one like this to significantly improve wireless range and throughput. For even better wireless range and throughput, check in-store availability on this $40 router and run, not walk, to pick it up. As with the Actiontec, you can unscrew the default antenna and connect this one in its place.

If you need any USB 802.11g wireless adapters for your PCs, use these for best possible range.

If you want 802.11n, pickup a D-Link DIR-655 and three of these for maximum throughput throughout your entire house.

Login to the Actiontec at 192.168.1.1 with user 'admin' and password 'password' (or password1) and disable its wireless under Wireless Settings -> Basic Security Settings. Then connect the new router to a LAN port on the Actiontec.



NOYB
St. John 3.16
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join:2005-12-15
Forest Grove, OR
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I have one of the newer models (shiny front, curvy), MI424-WR Rev. C and the WiFi antenna indeed is removable.


defaultPlay56

join:2007-11-30
Collegeville, PA

reply to KenAF
Yeah, I noticed that the Actiontec has a much smaller wireless range. I just got FiOS a few weeks ago so I got the brand new Actiontec model with the curvy shiny front.

The NAT table was the main limitation that I've been hearing from the Actiontec and it's my biggest concern.

My FiOS installation was all done by Coax from the ONT because I also have FiOS TV, so I need the Actiontec router.
I just ordered a DGL-4500 that I'm going to use as my router, but if I connect it off of the Actiontec it will be limited by it.

Ideally, the best thing layout is to have two separate lines. The Coax line to the Actiontec for FiOS TV and an Ethernet line to my new DGL-4500 for FiOS Internet. I just need Verizon to open the RJ-45 port on my ONT so that I can do this.


KenAF

join:2006-01-23
Arlington, VA

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reply to NOYB

said by NOYB:


I have one of the newer models (shiny front, curvy), MI424-WR Rev. C and the WiFi antenna indeed is removable.
So you have unscrewed it?

The antenna on the original MI424-WR unscrewed very easily. The antenna on my MI424-WR RevC looks like it should screw off, but I was not able to do it by hand. If you were able to take yours off, then perhaps I just need a pair of pliers to get a better grip.


NOYB
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Forest Grove, OR
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Yes I have, just prior to posting this, and prior as well. It unscrews easily, I would not use pliers. Maybe a towel/rag/cotton gloves. It is plastic and would be too easy to break with pliers. If you can not get it off without tools then leave it. If you really must remove it and need to use tools, perhaps rap it with a rag and then use pliers.

Remember, clockwise on, counterclockwise off, righty tighty, lefty loosey.



Tzale
Proud Libertarian Conservative
Premium
join:2004-01-06
NYC Metro

reply to KenAF

said by KenAF:

The primary limitations of the Actiontec are:

(1) smaller NAT table than some consumer routers, which makes it less than perfect for p2p;

(2) limited wireless range and reduced wireless throughput (due to weak signals).

I don't think Verizon really wants to go out of its way encourage p2p use, so I doubt they consider #1 a problem.

If you have the old Actiontec model (flat, boxy), you can add an antenna like this to significantly improve wireless range and throughput. The newer model (shiny front, curvy) doesn't seem to have a detachable antenna.

If you have the newer Actiontec and intend to use wireless -- rather than wired -- connections, you should probably look into buying another router to handle wireless connectivity. Check in-store availability on this $40 router and run, not walk, to pick it up. For even further wireless range, unscrew the antenna and connect this one in its place.

If you need any USB 802.11g wireless adapters for your PCs, use these for best possible range.

If you want 802.11n, pickup a D-Link DIR-655 and three of these for maximum throughput throughout your entire house.

Login to the Actiontec at 192.168.1.1 with user 'admin' and password 'password' (or password1) and disable its wireless under Wireless Settings -> Basic Security Settings. Then connect the new router to a LAN port on the Actiontec.
I tested the WiFi and the WiFi on my Actiontec is substantially better than the WiFi on my Netgear.... Using stock antennas and same locations. I could barely get a "fair" signal at the opposite corner of my house with the Netgear.... With the Actiontec, I have perfect or near perfect signal at that distance.

-Tzale
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KenAF

join:2006-01-23
Arlington, VA

said by Tzale:

I tested the WiFi and the WiFi on my Actiontec is substantially better than the WiFi on my Netgear.... Using stock antennas and same locations. I could barely get a "fair" signal at the opposite corner of my house with the Netgear.... With the Actiontec, I have perfect or near perfect signal at that distance
I'm guessing the wireless on your Netgear was pretty bad.

I comparedd four different [popular] wireless routers earlier this year, and the Actiontec had the worst wireless range and throughput by a fair margin.


NOYB
St. John 3.16
Premium
join:2005-12-15
Forest Grove, OR
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Have you tested with the latest Actiontec firmware (4.0.16.1.55.0.10.4.3)?

I have several walls and a steel door between notebook computer and the Actiontec, and get 100% signal strength, excellent signal quality, & 54.0 Mbps transmit rate.

Notebook WiFi NIC is Intel® PRO/Wireless 2915ABG
Power Management: Highest (Maximum Performance)
Transmit Power: Use default value (Highest)

The Actiontec is set to channel 1, and G only support

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Tzale
Proud Libertarian Conservative
Premium
join:2004-01-06
NYC Metro

said by NOYB:

Have you tested with the latest Actiontec firmware (4.0.16.1.55.0.10.4.3)?

I have several walls and a steel door between notebook computer and the Actiontec, and get 100% signal strength, excellent signal quality, & 54.0 Mbps transmit rate.

Notebook WiFi NIC is Intel® PRO/Wireless 2915ABG
Power Management: Highest (Maximum Performance)
Transmit Power: Use default value (Highest)

The Actiontec is set to channel 1, and G only support

I'm using firmware 4.0.16.1.45.160.27..... I think the Wireless is excellent... Using standard settings with 128bit WEP... Wireless card is a Broadcom (Dell Wireless) in the laptop.

-Tzale
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457,000,000 miles of fiber optics placed and counting!
~THANK YOU MY ANONYMOUS FRIEND~

nostrum09

join:2007-12-05
Scotch Plains, NJ

reply to defaultPlay56
I put a Buffalo WHR-G125 in place of the Actiontec and have noticed better wireless. I'm also running DD-WRT and boosted the wireless signal a little bit, so that probably helps as well.

Primary reason for switching the router was because of the NAT issues -- I would get the 'No IP for NAT' errors about 2-3 times a day, and that was without running any P2P applications, just a lot of different devices (4 STBs, 5 laptops, 1 desktop, 1 wireless printer and 1 Xbox 360). If Verizon purposely limits the NAT table in an attempt to discourage P2P users, I hope they realize the mess they're causing for people who just happen to have lots of systems and aren't doing anything illegal with them.


cornelius785

join:2006-10-26
Worcester, MA

reply to defaultPlay56
small NAT tables effectively cap the number of simultaneous connections. i haven't used an actiontec, but on two different Netgear routers, i can tell they have a small NAT table because when i start pinging and querying thousands upon thousands of game servers (TF2, CSS, etc.), it'll slow to a complete crawl.



VZDnepr

@usf.edu

reply to Tzale
You should not use WEP at all.

Use WPA2 with a random generated 63 character passkey.

WEP is so easy to break its kinda sad.

Also my Linksys at 50% transmit power covers whole house at max signal even in bathrooms, while Actiontec only gets 1-2 bars in area's other then my office.



BryanOnRR

join:2007-06-22
Brandon, FL

reply to defaultPlay56
Stats on the WIFI distance of the Actiontec,
Wireless Operating Range
Indoors
Up to 91 M (300 ft.)
Outdoors
Up to 533 M (1750 ft.)
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max dn 22mbps / max up 4.7mbps



is taken

@verizon.net

reply to defaultPlay56
Have been using the actiontec for several years now and it has worked reliably. The the wireless signal range is a bit weak.


mach_six

join:2002-05-09
Nutley, NJ

2 edits

reply to nostrum09

said by nostrum09:

I put a Buffalo WHR-G125 in place of the Actiontec and have noticed better wireless. I'm also running DD-WRT and boosted the wireless signal a little bit, so that probably helps as well.

Primary reason for switching the router was because of the NAT issues -- I would get the 'No IP for NAT' errors about 2-3 times a day, and that was without running any P2P applications, just a lot of different devices (4 STBs, 5 laptops, 1 desktop, 1 wireless printer and 1 Xbox 360). If Verizon purposely limits the NAT table in an attempt to discourage P2P users, I hope they realize the mess they're causing for people who just happen to have lots of systems and aren't doing anything illegal with them.
I have 4 PCs in my house. Could this be the reason why when I surf the internet would just die and restore itself within 10-20seconds, it is very annoying. I know it's online cause on a my file/P2P server it's connected to their NG.

I have their TV service but a better internet connection is more important to me and I will switch the coax to ethernet cause my old wireless router was rock solid.


xgman2

@covad.net

I have this same problem even when not using the wireless on the actiontec. Constant fading in and out of bandwith.



NOYB
St. John 3.16
Premium
join:2005-12-15
Forest Grove, OR
kudos:1

reply to mach_six

First thing to do is make sure uPnP is disabled/turned off.


mach_six

join:2002-05-09
Nutley, NJ

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