boaterbob
join:2005-08-01
Moncks Corner, SC
| Adding ethernet cables and connectors
My new house with fiber to the house has only 4 rooms wired with Cat.5 jacks for Internet / phone. If I wanted to have an Internet connection *PLUS* a phone jack in a room that has just 1 jack (maybe for an Internet computer hookup and a FAX machine on a separate jack), do they make connectors for Cat.5 jacks like they do for older phone jacks where I plug in a connector to the phone jack and it then allows for 2 (or 3)phones to be plugged into the connector?
Or, with a regular phone jack I could simply punch a hole in the sheet rock, add a new faceplate and phone jack and connect two wires to the adjacent jack - then I have two phone jacks.
If I want a Cat.5 jack in another room, the phone company wants $125. $35 for adding the jack and $90 for fishing new cable behind the wall.
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steveatl
join:2007-07-06
Decatur, GA | The $125 price is not bad for a one time thing. |
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RogerADSL
join:2004-12-10
Lawrenceville, GA | reply to boaterbob
Go Wireless... |
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bogey780
join:2004-03-19
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You said it is "wired with Cat.5 jacks for Internet / phone". Do you mean there are 2 seperate connections for voice and data or that there is only a single connection capable of voice or phone?
If it's all wired with cat5e and it's going back to the same source you can easily wire up the run to be internet or voice. Just depends on the jacks, connectors, and pairs set. |
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LightSpan
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join:2004-02-18
Lexington, KY
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If you are handy,you only really need two pairs in that 4pr cat 5 for ethernet to work.10/100mb use pin's 1 2 3 6,you then can use the other two pairs. One for phone ,and one for fax.Then you have three jacks on one plate.But remember if you want gb ethernet you need all 4 pr's.  |
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gaviper
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join:2000-09-04
Carrollton, GA
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I'm not sure exactly what you are asking, but I think maybe you are looking for a "keystone jack". Google search it or look on ebay and see if you can find what you need. |
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boaterbob
join:2005-08-01
Moncks Corner, SC
| Each jack has 2 connectors - one is a TV screw on connector in the upper position of the faceplate and below that in the same faceplate is a jack that looks like a phone jack except it has printed directly above the jack "Cat5" - looks like the printing is actually part of the physical jack.
The house has a smartbox in the garage and is fiber optics to the house. |
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matt498
join:2006-07-31
Waycross, GA
| Yep that's a keystone jack. CAT5 written into the plastic. Does the jack have 8 pins or 6 pins or 4 pins? If it has eight then it's network or phone. If it's 6 then it's diffidently phone. Punching a hole into the adjacent sheet rock and using the white-blue/blue-white pair will give you dial tone on line one. but if you want to add phone and internet then a whole new line would need to be ran to the smartbox. And they really don't have to "fish" the wall. Just use the other wire that's there as a pull (tie string to existing wire, pull it up into attic, tie new wire onto existing wire that's still attached to string, pull string back down through wall along with both set of wires) If done correctly, this should be a breeze to do, time consuming sometimes, but should be an easy install. |
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NetFixer
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| said by matt498  :And they really don't have to "fish" the wall. Just use the other wire that's there as a pull (tie string to existing wire, pull it up into attic, tie new wire onto existing wire that's still attached to string, pull string back down through wall along with both set of wires) If done correctly, this should be a breeze to do, time consuming sometimes, but should be an easy install. Of course that is assuming that some eager beaver electrician didn't staple each cable to a stud every two feet.
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boaterbob
join:2005-08-01
Moncks Corner, SC
| So, if the jack has 8 pins, then I can plug either a Ethernet cable in it for high speed Internet, or, a phone plug into it for phone service - i.e., the same jack provides (and accepts)a phone jack or a Ethernet jack?
Seems there was an earlier thread on this subject where the person was saying he had fiber to the house and a single jack and it accepted either/or phone or Internet and there was some discussion about this not being accurate - i.e., he needed a phone jack *AND* a data jack. But, he said he plugged in a phone and it worked, Then he plugged in an Ethernet cable and his high speed Internet on his computer worked also. So, will fiber to the house provide both phone and Internet from the same jack? |
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matt498
join:2006-07-31
Waycross, GA | yep it will, but to have both at the same time you have to have a special splitter. you can search the web and find them. |
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boaterbob
join:2005-08-01
Moncks Corner, SC
| Well, I drove to the new house and tried a standard phone plug in the Cat5 jack and it fit snug (and came out easly) and then plugged in an Ethernet cable - it also fit fine. It looks like there are 6 pins being used in the jack.
As there are 7 'combo' jacks in the house, it seems I can choose to plug in a phone 'OR' a computer at each of the jacks.
Robert |
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NetFixer
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| If the 6 pins are wired as in the image below, then you can indeed use the same connector for both telephone service and ethernet. In fact, if you build or buy a special splitter cable, you can use a single jack for both services at the same time.
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boaterbob
join:2005-08-01
Moncks Corner, SC
| NetFixer, there are indeed 6 pins (as I put on my reading glasses and laid on the floor to look inside the jack).
This 'special splitter' could serve to let me use a computer and a FAX machine - if I knew what the 'special splitter' was called so I could google it.
I found the company that wired the house and on their site they say "Telephone Outlets – Each outlet uses RJ45 jacks and are designed to accommodate up to 4 phone lines." |
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NetFixer
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1 edit | said by boaterbob :I found the company that wired the house and on their site they say "Telephone Outlets – Each outlet uses RJ45 jacks and are designed to accommodate up to 4 phone lines." In that case, you will indeed need to either install new wiring for your ethernet connections, or possibly rewire the cables in the wiring closet.
What you now have is probably wired like this:
Pin 1 --> Line 3 Tip
Pin 2 --> Line 3 Ring
Pin 3 --> Line 2 Tip
Pin 4 --> Line 1 Tip
Pin 5 --> Line 1 Ring
Pin 6 --> Line 2 Ring
Pin 7 --> Line 4 Tip
Pin 8 --> Line 4 Ring
Since you know who did the actual wiring, you can probably get them to confirm this and/or supply a wiring diagram (especially since you say you only see six pins in use, and 4 telephone lines require 8 pins as I illustrated above). They may also be able to supply you with line splitters to allow a standalone fax machine on line 2 to share the same jack with a telephone on line 1.
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