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Pathfinder
Dazed Confused
Premium
join:2000-03-26
Mount Vernon, NY

1 recommendation

Amazing

WHY CAN'T WE HAVE THAT HERE!!!!
Oh I forgot my sarcasm tags.
Before anyone gets their panties in a wad realize that Singapore is roughly 20% the size of Rhode Island.



cdigioia
Premium
join:2005-06-08
korea, repub
Reviews:
·Charter

1 recommendation

said by Pathfinder:

Before anyone gets their panties in a wad realize that Singapore is roughly 20% the size of Rhode Island.
That deserves repeating. Singapore is a city-state

There are other factors at play too (personally I think very highly of Singapore), but the city-state status is an enormous part of it.

o2cool8

join:2002-04-19
Miami, FL
reply to Pathfinder

Isn't the upload speed too low that you won't reach the full 100mbps?


Skippy25

join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
reply to Pathfinder

Be as sarcastic as you want, but this is exactly how it should be here: 1 network that services all people that any company can offer service over to provide any service the customer wants. Size is not a factor. It may take longer to implement, but it certainly can be implimented by doing it city wide, then county wide, then statewide, then country wide. Cost would certainly be much higher, but certainly doable in this country when it can pully hundreds of billions of dollars out of it ass for a war or whatever it deems important. Also, as you get the large cities online, they start producing revenue and that helps offset the cost of the rural and more expensive expansion.



KoolMoe
Aw Man
Premium
join:2001-02-14
Annapolis, MD
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS

1 recommendation

*Completely* agree,
"The network...will be scalable to symmetrical 1Gbps and provide open access to competitors"
Just like roads. Have the local/state gov'ts provide the infrastructure and allow open access to any company that wants to provide services over it.

Despite naysayers who believe gov't can't do anything right (which certainly has some roots in truth), it would solve SO many issues and actually allow for true innovation and customer choice/service.
KM



gaforces
United We Stand, Divided We Fall

join:2002-04-07
Santa Cruz, CA

said by KoolMoe:

*Completely* agree,
"The network...will be scalable to symmetrical 1Gbps and provide open access to competitors"
Just like roads. Have the local/state gov'ts provide the infrastructure and allow open access to any company that wants to provide services over it.

Despite naysayers who believe gov't can't do anything right (which certainly has some roots in truth), it would solve SO many issues and actually allow for true innovation and customer choice/service.
KM
Isnt that communism if you dont let big corps exploit thier positions, hold back the entire country to the stone age, so they can make even more billions?
--
‘Do ye, quieting in your bosoms your strong hearts,
Who of many good things have had your fill even to surfeit,
With what is moderate nourish your mighty desire; for neither will
We yield, nor shall you have all else as you wish.’
Solon


Tzale
Proud Libertarian Conservative
Premium
join:2004-01-06
NYC Metro
reply to cdigioia

said by cdigioia:

said by Pathfinder:

Before anyone gets their panties in a wad realize that Singapore is roughly 20% the size of Rhode Island.
That deserves repeating. Singapore is a city-state

There are other factors at play too (personally I think very highly of Singapore), but the city-state status is an enormous part of it.
Hell, it's worth stating AGAIN...

SINGAPORE IS A CITY-STATE....
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Hello Verizon FIOS 12.03.07!
457,000,000 miles of fiber optics placed and counting!
~THANK YOU MY ANONYMOUS FRIEND~


Tzale
Proud Libertarian Conservative
Premium
join:2004-01-06
NYC Metro
reply to Skippy25

said by Skippy25:

Be as sarcastic as you want, but this is exactly how it should be here: 1 network that services all people that any company can offer service over to provide any service the customer wants. Size is not a factor. It may take longer to implement, but it certainly can be implimented by doing it city wide, then county wide, then statewide, then country wide. Cost would certainly be much higher, but certainly doable in this country when it can pully hundreds of billions of dollars out of it ass for a war or whatever it deems important. Also, as you get the large cities online, they start producing revenue and that helps offset the cost of the rural and more expensive expansion.
No offense, but you're talking out your ass.

There is no way that this could be implemented here.... The government can't do it's job now, how do you expect them to rollout a trillion dollar fiber optic network? And there isn't a demand for it.. I like the current system.. It's 2007 and I have a fiber optic line delivering 20mbps/5mbps, digital tv and digital phone to the side of my house for $138/month.... I don't want or need the government to get involved..

With time, all of America will have some sort of access to broadband. America is a big place, if you can't get fiber in hicktown then move to a place that you can get it in... Nobody is going to run fiber to a town of 200 people.

-Tzale
--
Hello Verizon FIOS 12.03.07!
457,000,000 miles of fiber optics placed and counting!
~THANK YOU MY ANONYMOUS FRIEND~


Tzale
Proud Libertarian Conservative
Premium
join:2004-01-06
NYC Metro
reply to KoolMoe

said by KoolMoe:

*Completely* agree,
"The network...will be scalable to symmetrical 1Gbps and provide open access to competitors"
Just like roads. Have the local/state gov'ts provide the infrastructure and allow open access to any company that wants to provide services over it.

Despite naysayers who believe gov't can't do anything right (which certainly has some roots in truth), it would solve SO many issues and actually allow for true innovation and customer choice/service.
KM
There was a major need for the interstate system around WWII, there is NOT a major need for a national fiber optic network built by the government.. The current internet network works fine.

-Tzale
--
Hello Verizon FIOS 12.03.07!
457,000,000 miles of fiber optics placed and counting!
~THANK YOU MY ANONYMOUS FRIEND~


KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
Premium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK
reply to Skippy25

said by Skippy25:

Be as sarcastic as you want, but this is exactly how it should be here: 1 network that services all people that any company can offer service over to provide any service the customer wants.
Agreed. One company focusing on infrastructure provisioning, maintaning, and constant upgrading. Open access so any and all comers who wish to pay for access can provide their services over the network to people and businesses.

Stronger, Faster, Smarter, Cheaper. Also... will never happen here.
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"Regulatory capitalism is when companies invest in lawyers, lobbyists, and politicians, instead of plant, people, and customer service." - former FCC Chairman William Kennard (A real FCC Chairman, unlike the current Corporate Spokesperson in the job!)


KoolMoe
Aw Man
Premium
join:2001-02-14
Annapolis, MD
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
reply to Tzale

said by Tzale:

The current internet network works fine.
I understand the pessimism about a federally-built/managed system, but how about state-based systems? Just as bad? A little, or maybe a lot, better?

Does it? I guess it depends who you talk to...
I have FIOS here. Cool. I also have DSL and Cable options. Cooler. DSL, however, is on borrowed time. Cable isn't much of an option when it's the only other option. Why not have a state-based infrastructure with open access? What would specifically be bad about that? I can think of an awful lot of good things...
KM

Skippy25

join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
reply to Tzale

I see, so your opinion is the correct one and anything that disagrees with you comes from someone's ass? How's that ego?

I'm glad you have fiber to your house without intervention. I live in St. Louis, which is a very large city and yet I can't even get the 6mb DSL AT&T offers. So as I enjoy your "move from the hicks" comment, look past yourself for just a moment and realize that these monopolies/duopolies don't work as a free market should. There are way to many barriers of entry for any company to come in and compete in the copper arena and certainly in the fiber one.

The demand is there it just may not be evident. You increase the pipes and they will be used PERIOD. Just like when any corporation increases bandwidth or diskspace it gets used and rather quickly by it's users. With bandwidth will come the innovation to use that bandwidth just as the 640k RAM question eons ago.

This country's government is completely capable of overseeing the build out of a nationwide fiber optic network. They don't have to do it, but they can certainly oversee it and fund it through tax dollars and the revenues generated as it is up and running in different parts of the country.

That would truly open up the innovation and creativity of internet in the US and truly allow competition on all fronts which in the end will certainly be in the countries best interest.



Tzale
Proud Libertarian Conservative
Premium
join:2004-01-06
NYC Metro

said by Skippy25:

I see, so your opinion is the correct one and anything that disagrees with you comes from someone's ass? How's that ego?

I'm glad you have fiber to your house without intervention. I live in St. Louis, which is a very large city and yet I can't even get the 6mb DSL AT&T offers. So as I enjoy your "move from the hicks" comment, look past yourself for just a moment and realize that these monopolies/duopolies don't work as a free market should. There are way to many barriers of entry for any company to come in and compete in the copper arena and certainly in the fiber one.

The demand is there it just may not be evident. You increase the pipes and they will be used PERIOD. Just like when any corporation increases bandwidth or diskspace it gets used and rather quickly by it's users. With bandwidth will come the innovation to use that bandwidth just as the 640k RAM question eons ago.

This country's government is completely capable of overseeing the build out of a nationwide fiber optic network. They don't have to do it, but they can certainly oversee it and fund it through tax dollars and the revenues generated as it is up and running in different parts of the country.

That would truly open up the innovation and creativity of internet in the US and truly allow competition on all fronts which in the end will certainly be in the countries best interest.
You're complaining about not being able to get 6mbps or more? That is certainly broadband.. I don't see what you are complaining about.... I just got FIOS less than two weeks ago and I live less than 10 miles from NYC.... 99% of Manhattan doesn't have FIOS.. But Verizon is working hard to develop solutions for MDUs... And like I said before, if you don't like what St. Louis has to offer, then move somewhere that does have what you want. It's as simple as that.

-Tzale