Re: Just another... in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r19622905 en Tue, 15 Dec 2009 04:55:15 EDT Tue, 15 Dec 2009 04:55:15 EDT Re: Just another... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19694142 mlerner :
said by pkarlos_76 See Profile :

said by james See Profile :

Yeah seriously! I mean it's ONLY $85 000!
What was he thinking when he read "Unlimited Browsing" and assumed that it applied to all browsing? What an idiot! Oh wait, I'm being a sarcastic jackass again.
Not everyones mother and father and grandfather and grandmother is as adept as some peoplein this forum are in these things!! In fact many of these people call the Computer Case a CPU.....
True but Bell did their best to advertise it only for browsing. No where does it say specifically that you can tether your phone to your PC with this plan and the reps are usually pretty good about that but then sales and support have gone down in quality recently.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19694142 Thu, 27 Dec 2007 17:21:34 EDT Re: Just another... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19693750 james : Correction, they point to the Monitor and call it the CPU.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19693750 Thu, 27 Dec 2007 16:09:13 EDT Re: Just another... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19692560 pkarlos_76 :
said by james See Profile :

Yeah seriously! I mean it's ONLY $85 000!
What was he thinking when he read "Unlimited Browsing" and assumed that it applied to all browsing? What an idiot! Oh wait, I'm being a sarcastic jackass again.
Not everyones mother and father and grandfather and grandmother is as adept as some peoplein this forum are in these things!! In fact many of these people call the Computer Case a CPU.....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19692560 Thu, 27 Dec 2007 13:00:50 EDT Re: Just another... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19624246 Tzale :
said by djrobx See Profile :

Even the "goodwill" $3700 is outrageous. They offer the "real" unlimited service for $75 per month. That should be the maximum "fine" for improper use.

Its downright criminal for big companies to demand such extoirtionate amounts from people when they are clearly able to provide the said service for a fair price.

exactly
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Yes, arrg! People should be perfect! Grrrr. I like living in a society where every transaction comes with 20 page agreements! I've never been hosed by a company because I am too smart and infallible. Blaaaah!! We should encourage companies to do business like this! Meh! Companies are always right and people are always wrong, except meee! Whirrr!


Does that about sum it up? Cool, now this thread can be shorter. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19623001 Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:25:48 EDT Re: Just another... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19622905 CConverse :
said by AJICQ499087 See Profile :

If the provider is not willing to write into the contract what is needed for you to understand what you plan to sign, then don't sign the contract. You should go shopping some place else!
Except that some place else usually isn't any better. Is there any way to truly quantify the lesser of two (or more) evils?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19622905 Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:08:30 EDT Re: Just another... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19622224 anon : Having worked as a salesman in the cellular industry....... this is sadly the most likely case. People should read the fine print of their entire contracts, but realistically, this is just not the case. They depend on the sales people for guidance, and there are far too many unscrupulous sales people. Then, the company adds to consumer confusion by calling it an unlimited data plan for $10. The internet is data transfer by definition, isn't it? If I was this person, I would take it to court claiming false advertising. win or lose, he will be creating precedence for future cases against these unscrupulous companies.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19622224 Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:22:34 EDT Re: Just another... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19622295 AJICQ499087 : You need to read the fine print. If you don't understand what the contract is saying ask questions and have the answers in simple English written into the contract. If the provider is not willing to write into the contract what is needed for you to understand what you plan to sign, then don't sign the contract. You should go shopping some place else!
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When you 'steal' (or lose) a DVD from a rental company, the most they will charge you is the price of the movie, or maybe a little more. When you 'steal' (or lose) a book from the library, the most they will charge you is the price of the book, or maybe a little more. Here they are charging you thousands of times the cost, and hundreds of times the monthly rate if you had a service plan; all for being unknowledgeable. djrobx has it right:

said by djrobx See Profile :

Even the "goodwill" $3700 is outrageous. They offer the "real" unlimited service for $75 per month. That should be the maximum "fine" for improper use. Its downright criminal for big companies to demand such extoirtionate amounts from people when they are clearly able to provide the said service for a fair price.
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19621253 Fri, 14 Dec 2007 08:15:08 EDT Re: Just another... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19621012 sven_kirk3 : customer trying to scam the system. He was caught trying to cheat the system by not buy a laptop card. He is getting what he deserves. There is NOTHING free in the world.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19621012 Fri, 14 Dec 2007 05:57:16 EDT Re: Just another... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19620895 djrobx : Even the "goodwill" $3700 is outrageous. They offer the "real" unlimited service for $75 per month. That should be the maximum "fine" for improper use.

Its downright criminal for big companies to demand such extoirtionate amounts from people when they are clearly able to provide the said service for a fair price.
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19620895 Fri, 14 Dec 2007 03:57:10 EDT Re: Just another... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19620657 MysticGogeta :
said by kalphearion See Profile :

Idiot who skimmed over their contract

Pay up and quit whining
Just curious do you make 85k a year? I sure as hell don't and defiantly would like to.
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said by DotMac4 See Profile :

More like a just another salesman who scammed an unsuspecting plan buyer.
So frigging true.... This guy should have read the contract, but $85,000 is outrageous...

-Tzale
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said by bthornhill See Profile :

Hey, we're not talking about American pesos here, we're talking Canadian dollars. That's a lot of dough.
HAHAH! Awesome!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19619240 Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:22:08 EDT Re: Just another... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19619123 bthornhill : Hey, we're not talking about American pesos here, we're talking Canadian dollars. That's a lot of dough.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19619123 Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:59:38 EDT Re: Just another... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19619076 shaner : n/m]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19619076 Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:50:15 EDT Re: Just another... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19619062 DotMac4 : If that's the case (about the contract being in bold, plus the click through notice on the installer) he should pay the $3700 and be happy about it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19619062 Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:47:13 EDT Re: Just another... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19619031 james : Yeah seriously! I mean it's ONLY $85 000!
What was he thinking when he read "Unlimited Browsing" and assumed that it applied to all browsing? What an idiot! Oh wait, I'm being a sarcastic jackass again.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19619031 Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:42:36 EDT Re: Just another... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19619018 shaner : In order to tether his his KRZR to his computer and use it as a modem, he must download an application from Bell called Mobile Connect.

Here is the link for Mobile Connect.

»www.businessonthego1.com/english···l_mc.asp

Notice that you cannot download the program without the legal stuff popping up.

And here's the important part:

"Note to subscribers of Bell Mobility's Unlimited Mobile BrowserTM: in tethering your Bell Mobility handheld device to your PC or other device, data transmission does NOT occur through the Unlimited Mobile Browser. You will be charged for data transport usage in addition to the monthly charge for the browser.

Examples of data transport charges using a rate of $12 per megabyte: send an email = $0.15; download a web page = $4.50; download a song = $123.00. Note that these examples do not include all data transmission associated with these activities, which can vary depending on user activity, software application behaviour, communications protocol and network conditions.

We encourage you to minimize these charges by subscribing to an appropriate data plan. Visit »www.businessonthego1.com/english···cing.asp or call 1 866 235-5249 (1 866 BELL-BIZ) to subscribe. Be sure to check the data usage counter on your screen to keep track of your data usage.

By clicking "I accept" below you acknowledge that you are over the age of eighteen years and are liable for and agree to pay these charges for data transport services."]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19619018 Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:40:58 EDT Re: Just another... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19618956 en102 : I tend to agree... there's a HUGE amount of legal paperwork to protect the carrier (TOS/AUP), and a very quick process to get you signed up/out the door.
When I wanted to 'tether' my Samsung ZX-20, AT&T wanted to put me on a MEdia plan. Since I know better, I asked her if she's _really_ sure about that, and it was the plan I should be on for using my phone as a modem. She came back and set it up as a laptop connect plan.

Many people do not know what they're getting, and many sales people do not know what they're selling. There should be some sort of 'cap' or 'warning' when these huge bills come out. $85,000 is probably more than his gross annual salary. If I went to a bank and asked for a loan to burn through $85k what do you think they would say ? The bill by the kB has to have some sort of sanity check.
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Even with fine print, the way it's worded is often confusing. "Mobile browsing" is vague and to some people could be anything mobile including a laptop tethered to the phone.

I wonder how the actual terms of service are worded. If it's worded Mobile Browsing without specifically defining mobile browsing as through the phone's web client I could see how it could be confusing even to someone who read the 4 pt font of the contract.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19618767 Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:04:34 EDT Re: Just another... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19618677 mlerner : The rep may not have said anything (as is typical for Bell) but it is clearly listed on the site for mobile browsing only, additionally I believe it's in the fine print as well. The thing is, never fully trust a salesman without reading everything in writing first.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19618677 Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:49:16 EDT Re: Just another... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19618543 DotMac4 : More like a just another salesman who scammed an unsuspecting plan buyer.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19618543 Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:27:17 EDT Just another... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19618441 kalphearion : Idiot who skimmed over their contract

Pay up and quit whining]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19618441 Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:14:53 EDT