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hawk82
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| I just wish...
that the CEO Of Fairpoint would quit sugarcoating this whole deal with the ads they have been plastering on the TV channels here. They make Fairpoint out like they are some type of superhero here to fix all of our broadband internet problems. I'm sorry but it just isn't reasonable to think that every podunk town here in Maine will have "state of the art" broadband dsl service. Nor will every Verizon Union worker be keeping their jobs and at their current payrate, nor will they increase current broadband penetration to 90% of their service customers (or whatever that insane figure was) in the next couple of years they keep claiming.
These ads are played almost as much as the presidential candidates ads are here. It's ridiculous to think how much money they are spending trying to warp the public into thinking they will be our saviors.
And what's up with DSL being state of the art? It's an old technology relying on old copper lines that consistently break down. Fiber optics really is the only way to do it. And unfortunately until it is made cheap, we'll have to deal with crappy dsl.
If the CEO of Fairpoint and Verizon would just be honest and say "yep, we're going to sell to Fairpoint, we aren't going to keep many of the of the current Verizon workers, we won't be making any huge increases of broadband rollouts, but provide you quality service" I might go with that. Instead they keep rolling out these lies.
Or how about Verizon sell off one state at a time, and let Fairpoint work out the bugs in the deal, become profitable over a longer period of time, and not taking off too big a bite that they can't swallow.
I was hoping that with the PUC advisory board would have made those recommendations stick, but I guess not.
/rant
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xsiddalx
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| said by hawk82  :that the CEO Of Fairpoint would quit sugarcoating this whole deal with the ads they have been plastering on the TV channels here. They make Fairpoint out like they are some type of superhero here to fix all of our broadband internet problems. I'm sorry but it just isn't reasonable to think that every podunk town here in Maine will have "state of the art" broadband dsl service. Nor will every Verizon Union worker be keeping their jobs and at their current payrate, nor will they increase current broadband penetration to 90% of their service customers (or whatever that insane figure was) in the next couple of years they keep claiming. It happens. Before SBC bought out Ameritech, there was a carefully orchestrated (allegedly) reduction of employees at Ameritech. All service went to hell. Mergers must result in savings to make sense..employees will be cut for sure, especially union.
said by hawk82 :These ads are played almost as much as the presidential candidates ads are here. It's ridiculous to think how much money they are spending trying to warp the public into thinking they will be our saviors. Always a good indicator that they are selling something.
said by hawk82 :And what's up with DSL being state of the art? It's an old technology relying on old copper lines that consistently break down. Fiber optics really is the only way to do it. And unfortunately until it is made cheap, we'll have to deal with crappy dsl. Why is DSL crappy and fiber optics advanced? Most DSL is provided via fiber-fed terminals, not unlike cable internet.
How does copper "break down" as you say?
said by hawk82 :If the CEO of Fairpoint and Verizon would just be honest and say "yep, we're going to sell to Fairpoint, we aren't going to keep many of the of the current Verizon workers, we won't be making any huge increases of broadband rollouts, but provide you quality service" I might go with that. Instead they keep rolling out these lies. You'd be surprised...VZ's money is coming from the business and wholesale markets. Fairpoint's is the residential market. Different business models. DSL isn't exactly expensive if the customer takes a land line (regulatory construct).
said by hawk82 :Or how about Verizon sell off one state at a time, and let Fairpoint work out the bugs in the deal, become profitable over a longer period of time, and not taking off too big a bite that they can't swallow. Fairpoint, or any other wall street financed company, can swallow the purchase. What bugs are there to work out? Business as usual, upgrade terminals, and/or extend fiber and upgrade terminals...Why not argue Verizon should sell one exchange at a time? That would give any buyer lots of time of build real slowly..
said by hawk82 :I was hoping that with the PUC advisory board would have made those recommendations stick, but I guess not. /rant Unfortunately PUCs don't act on behalf of customers anymore than the FCC does. Just State versions of the FCC. | |
hawk82
join:2001-04-26
Oakland, ME
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·RoadRunner Cable
| said by xsiddalx :Why is DSL crappy and fiber optics advanced? Most DSL is provided via fiber-fed terminals, not unlike cable internet. How does copper "break down" as you say? Any water gets into the copper pair, it causes numerous issues. Crosstalk issues. Older, aging copper plant which had a lot of issues with just voice quality, let alone try to push DSL over those lines. Distance limitations.
Unless cheap line extenders and new copper plants are run, DSL is a stop gap measure to keep customers slightly happy until FTTH becomes cheaper to implement. Fiber is the way of the future. Just need to have the price come down on all of the related equipment.
Not like we'll see a big FTTH rollout by Fairpoint if this deal were to go through, when they invest a lot of money in "state of the art" DSL. Why not invest money in getting fiber run throughout the larger towns in Maine, and keep DSL for the smaller towns until it becomes more financially feasible to run FTTH there.
It's like throwing a small bandaid over a large wound. Doesn't make much sense to me to spend lots of money on an end of life technology. One can only do so much with copper. | |
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| In most of Maine, New Hampshire, and Vermont there will never be FTTH unless it is done 100% or close to 100% at taxpayer expense.
In Maine, for example, there is a large concentration of people in 3-4 areas of the state, but the rest of the state doesn't have the population to support decent phone service, let alone fiber. It is not unusual to have a country road that is 10 miles long that has 4 houses on it, 2 on each side. And that's not "way out there", that's maybe 20-30 minutes from a population center.
People often forget that you can drive for 7 hours and STILL be in Maine.
For example:
»www.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&ge···z=7&om=1
If you head to the real hinter lands, you can drive from the NH border to the northern tip of Maine in just about 9 hrs.
»www.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&ge···=16&om=1
The truth is that NO COMPANY, not Verizon, not Fairpoint, not ANYONE is going to provide fiber services to the areas that Verizon is selling off. It. Will. Never. Happen. Would it be nice? Yes. But short of government mandates and funding, there won't be much hope for fiber to these areas of the states. | |
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