jfmezei
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join:2007-01-03
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Re: Is there life after the SpeedTouch?
Monsieur Bi-Cephale,
Some men want women with big tits, others want nice legs, others want nice eyes/hair etc.
Similarly, some want modems that are simple to setup, some want a modem that reports higher SNR and lower attenuation, some want modems that have a good CLI and documentation, some want good modem security, some want good network management features (SYSLOG, SNMP , TFTP/FTP to download configs etc), some may want to have a serial port to get to the modem no matter what.
I bought a 516 and never actually put it in production. I tried to pair down its config to remove any superflous servces I don't need. But I am not sure it is superior to my old 3com from a management point of view.
Once of those days, I will plug it in and spend time to figure out from the CLI the SNR/atteniation parameters to see if it really is better than my 3com.
However, my old 3com (dates back from my istop days) doesn't do ADSL2, the 516 does.
My 3com has filters that allow only PPPoE packets through, this ensures that decnet, SCS, Appletalk TCPIP and any other protocols don't pass through to leave my site. I couldn't find a way to do this on the 516.
My needs are probably peculiar.
In terms of ISPs knowing their modems, this is all relative. I can't expect my ISP to know how to configure my 516 the way I need it to be, they won't learn the intricacies of that elaborate CLI just to please my personal needs.
So I don't expect ISPs to know these modems intimately. They will know if they are generally good, generally easy to setup and if they generate a lot of phone calls for support or not. But they woN't know if it has certain capabilities that one individual needs for his setup.
The 516 is really meant as a residential modem, not a business/small business one. |
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Bicephale
join:2005-09-24
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Velcom
| Hi JFMezei,
It will be hard for me to argue with you because i
believe we share the same opinions but one: sorry
but i wouldn't get married to someone i never seen
before!!! That's the thing with those SpeedTouch:
the vocabulary that describes them is quite vague,
which doesn't stop people from making all sorts of
statements about the result of my comparisons when
they can't provide numbers themselves. It is thru
sharing information that the customers will gain a
better picture and i'm afraid only users can do it
because no ISP is going to conduct objective tests
for us. Lets start here, i welcome your own data:
Thomson SpeedTouch 546v6 - 10 Thousand CRC Errors per Day
GNet BB0060B - 2 Thousand CRC Errors per Day
When i write that something is better it's because
i've compared it against something else, right now
the only evidence i have at hand doesn't plead for
the ST546v6 considering how it performed in my own
case. Of course it's not a laboratory-grade test-
bench where all parameters can be controlled but i
used the same line for both tests so it means i've
submitted each unit to nearly identical conditions
and i wouldn't expect much more from any customer.
As far as i'm concerned, i'd say 1st things 1st so
that means getting on-line and staying up. That's
why i came to trust the CRC Error rate while i try
to keep an eye on Synchronization. It's been very
impractical to collect a CRC Error rate curve with
my ST but i managed to get a Ten Days sample and i
have done it despite re-synchronizations which can
reset the counters... I'll leave it to the future
buyer to choose what he needs but when we discuss
noise i can't agree that the ST series is "better"
with these graphics in mind! My Thomson failed to
differentiate real data from noise more often than
my old GNet BB0060B has unless the CRC Errors rate
measured on one device isn't equivalent to that on
another but anyone who will criticize this measure
must be prepared to provide a solid explanation!!!
In any case, as a customer i think that i went far
beyond my obligations so lets not expect of others
that they contribute with professional-grade input
when the professionals themselves won't dare to...
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Guspaz
Guspaz
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
·Colbanet
·TekSavvy Solutions..
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December 19th, @02:08AM
| Apparently I've been added to Bicephales "twit list". Good to hear. I've always been a big fan of Leo Laporte's TWiT podcast. I didn't realize that the TekSavvy folks were also fans of the show.
Anyhow, back on-topic, you enjoy posting the same graphs over and over again, but they're effectively meaningless. While it's neat that you've been able to tweak your own hardware, and while it's mildly interesting that the old BB0060 handles noise better than the ST516, that's really irrelevant on the whole. What does it matter? The ST516 is a more logical choice for modern consumers. |
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TSI Marc
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join:2006-06-23
Chatham, ON | reply to Bicephale
Just keep burning those bridges Bicephale.
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TSI Marc - TekSavvy Solutions Inc. |
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TSI Marc
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join:2006-06-23
Chatham, ON | reply to Guspaz
I just got one too. 
I guess that's his genius at work... go figure, I'm partial to TekSavvy. lol
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TSI Marc - TekSavvy Solutions Inc. |
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Gwai Lo Dan
join:2007-01-24
St Catharines, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| reply to jfmezei
said by jfmezei  :Monsieur Bi-Cephale, Some men want women with big tits, others want nice legs, others want nice eyes/hair etc. As Jerry Seinfeld said, "why would I be a leg man? I have legs!" |
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The Flash
You don't win friends with salad
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join:2002-10-17
Toronto, ON
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Looks like I'm on the "Speedtouch Worshiper" twit list.
I don't even own a Speedtouch...I guess if Guspaz and TSI Marc are on it, I should feel honored |
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TSI Gabe
Network Kung Fu
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join:2007-01-03
Chatham, ON | Yeah I'm in there now too. |
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Guspaz
Guspaz
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join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
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Which is sort of funny, because I don't own a SpeedTouch, I've never owned a SpeedTouch, and I've never even seen a SpeedTouch :P
I'm not sure if he's trying to insult us, or just inform us of... something? That he doesn't like us because we don't agree with him? |
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