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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Re: Tell me it isn't so Not everyone cares about having 50Mbps, especially with caps.
Many care about pricing and service.
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Richard B
Fur It Up
join:2007-06-22
Portland, OR
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1 edit | I bet 99% do not care about caps. Most people I know are value not technical oriented. A good example is my family. They are not dumb Ones an environmental chemist, one Register nurse, one physician assistant, I am the only one technical and know to maintain computers. They only care if the can connect to a network at any speed. Most are happy with dial-up.
To then a cap is something that place over a test tube or I.V catheter. | |
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Jerm
join:2000-04-10
Richland, WA
| Well the error here is the college town part. I've lived in college towns, and it's not a place I'd want to service a broadband network.
College students use a LOT of bandwidth. They also don't always pay the bills.
Comcast & Qwest come in and offer $100 triple play deals (for probably 8mbps cable and even slower DSL).
These muni broadband providers have to match that (except they are 15mps) and then if the customer starts using P2P (ie torrents) and actually *using* that 15mbit god forbid then they could really lose $$ on that customer. And lets not get started on the 50mbit customers - if you were paying for 50mbit broadband would you like it if your provider told you "no sorry can't use it" for certain things? | |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
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join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| Re: Tell me it isn't so said by KrK  :said by TKJunkMail :The shining star of muni systems? The model, on which others were to build theirs, I don't know about you but to ME 50/50 Symetrical for $40 is like OMG WOW SIGN ME UP And everything you'd probably want to use the upload for isn't allowed plus the caps. . .
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Capt Video
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| ...and they have signed up th people like you. It's the others (most of the population) that don't care about the differece between fast and fastest...or do mostly email and light web surfing that don't care.
And the comment on students being P2P bandwidth pigs is also true! They leave their computer on day and night and people from all over the world connect here because of the great speeds for P2P. Hurts the service providers cost model. | |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK
2 edits | Edit: iProvo and Utopia do not directly compete. They are in the same area, but not the same towns/cities. Mstar is available on both. | |
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
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| Re: Tell me it isn't so said by KrK :So, Iprovo needs to *slightly* drop prices to match Utopia.... and then the problem will be solved. Sure. They can make up the money they lose on each customer by having more customers.
They will just lose money FASTER with lower prices, especially if price isn't their main problem.
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Capt Video
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| iProvo does not compete with UTOPIA, and both are priced close. It's Comcast's 3 services for $99 and Qwest's "price for life" promotions that they compete with. Only no service provider has the money to buy media (TV, etc) like Comcast and Qwest do. The muni's spend nothing on marketing. They just own the network. | |
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join:2001-09-01
Layton, UT
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| said by KrK :I found the problem. The fact that there's TWO Fiber providers, and Utopia is cheaper. In other words. Iprovo KICKS ASS compared to the cable companies and Telcos NATIONWIDE... but they are up against ANOTHER Fiber provider (How many of us in the USA have a choice of ONE fiber provider, let alone TWO?!?) According to the Utopia page, they do not service Provo. Payson which is about 4 miles south of Provo, and Orem which is on the north side of Provo get some Utopia.
Plus, as I hear it from our local city rep who is involved in things like Utopia, Utopia is also struggling with money issues, and thus the ability to expand, since Qwest bought that law that locks them out of certain markets. that law apparently made the original premise for income that most cities originally signed up for is not valid anymore. Sigh....and I was hoping it would be here next year.
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK
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| Re: Tell me it isn't so Yeah, the incumbents will do everything to make these projects fail, by hook or by crook, and then they will point to the failure as if to say "See the Muni model doesn't work."
/Sigh
Well, I think they will work, it just needs to be open and on a level playing field.
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@rr.com | UTOPIA and iProvo do not compete. They provide infrastructure anyway, in different cities. iProvo in Provo only and UTOPIA in several other cities. MSTAR offers service through both networks. | |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK
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| Re: Tell me it isn't so said by The right facts :
UTOPIA and iProvo do not compete. They provide infrastructure anyway, in different cities. iProvo in Provo only and UTOPIA in several other cities. MSTAR offers service through both networks.
Ok, you can get Mstar thru both networks, but it's dependant on city. It appeared from the website that you had a choice of which Fiber to get it on. Course U can't go farther without signing up, so I couldn't check that.
My bad.
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