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Re: Tell me it isn't so in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r19652957 en Thu, 04 Dec 2008 20:32:14 EDT Thu, 04 Dec 2008 20:32:14 EDT Re: Tell me it isn't so http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19659254 anon : iProvo does not compete with UTOPIA, and both are priced close. It's Comcast's 3 services for $99 and Qwest's "price for life" promotions that they compete with. Only no service provider has the money to buy media (TV, etc) like Comcast and Qwest do. The muni's spend nothing on marketing. They just own the network.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19659254 Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:02:36 EDT Re: Tell me it isn't so http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19659243 anon : ...and they have signed up th people like you. It's the others (most of the population) that don't care about the differece between fast and fastest...or do mostly email and light web surfing that don't care.

And the comment on students being P2P bandwidth pigs is also true! They leave their computer on day and night and people from all over the world connect here because of the great speeds for P2P. Hurts the service providers cost model.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19659243 Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:02:25 EDT Re: Tell me it isn't so http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19655700 djrobx : I was with you until you got to the "most are happy with dial up" part. I agree that most are happy with "slow" broadband (say a solid, reliable 768k/128k connection) but definitely not dialup.

I do a lot of side "IT" work, and the most common things I get are complaints about speed. They usually don't even know how to quantify what's slow, they're just impatient in general. On the network side, if you have a good low-latency 768k connection, the web generally performs well. Most web sites don't take advantage of faster connections. Not even "bandwidth intensive" sites like YouTube.

I really enjoy speed but I'd rather keep my unmetered 10/1 connection over a 50/50 metered to less than 150G/month. There aren't a ton of sites and applications that can utilize a pipe over 10mbps, and I prefer the convenience of not worrying about my data consumption.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19655700 Thu, 20 Dec 2007 02:47:18 EDT Re: Tell me it isn't so http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19654346 dvd536 :

said by KrK

said by TK Junk Mail

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The shining star of muni systems? The model, on which others were to build theirs,

I don't know about you but to ME 50/50 Symetrical for $40 is like OMG WOW SIGN ME UP

And everything you'd probably want to use the upload for isn't allowed plus the caps. . .
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/Sigh

Well, I think they will work, it just needs to be open and on a level playing field.
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said by The right facts :

UTOPIA and iProvo do not compete. They provide infrastructure anyway, in different cities. iProvo in Provo only and UTOPIA in several other cities. MSTAR offers service through both networks.

Ok, you can get Mstar thru both networks, but it's dependant on city. It appeared from the website that you had a choice of which Fiber to get it on. Course U can't go farther without signing up, so I couldn't check that.

My bad.
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said by KrK

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I found the problem.

The fact that there's TWO Fiber providers, and Utopia is cheaper.

In other words. Iprovo KICKS ASS compared to the cable companies and Telcos NATIONWIDE... but they are up against ANOTHER Fiber provider (How many of us in the USA have a choice of ONE fiber provider, let alone TWO?!?)

According to the Utopia page, they do not service Provo. Payson which is about 4 miles south of Provo, and Orem which is on the north side of Provo get some Utopia.

Plus, as I hear it from our local city rep who is involved in things like Utopia, Utopia is also struggling with money issues, and thus the ability to expand, since Qwest bought that law that locks them out of certain markets. that law apparently made the original premise for income that most cities originally signed up for is not valid anymore. Sigh....and I was hoping it would be here next year.
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The solution, and why they've brought in consultants, is to gain more customers and reduce churn. IE they need customers who like the service and stay with iProvo. They aren't losing money on each customer unless they leave before the connection costs have been absorbed.
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said by KrK

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So, Iprovo needs to *slightly* drop prices to match Utopia.... and then the problem will be solved.

Sure. They can make up the money they lose on each customer by having more customers.

They will just lose money FASTER with lower prices, especially if price isn't their main problem.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19653337 Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:57:38 EDT Re: Tell me it isn't so http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19653238 KrK : Edit: iProvo and Utopia do not directly compete. They are in the same area, but not the same towns/cities. Mstar is available on both.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19653238 Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:45:06 EDT Re: Tell me it isn't so http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19653221 KrK :

said by TK Junk Mail

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The shining star of muni systems? The model, on which others were to build theirs,

I don't know about you but to ME 50/50 Symetrical for $40 is like OMG WOW SIGN ME UP

I'd say that's a model of kick-azzness for the rest of us to WISH we could get.

Obviously the problem is not with the network itself or even the pricing--- it's something else.... maybe the partner ISP's suck.... We have insufficient information at this time.
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"Regulatory capitalism is when companies invest in lawyers, lobbyists, and politicians, instead of plant, people, and customer service." - former FCC Chairman William Kennard (A real FCC Chairman, unlike the current Corporate Spokesperson in the job!)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19653221 Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:41:44 EDT Re: Tell me it isn't so http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19653184 Richard B : I bet 99% do not care about caps. Most people I know are value not technical oriented. A good example is my family. They are not dumb Ones an environmental chemist, one Register nurse, one physician assistant, I am the only one technical and know to maintain computers. They only care if the can connect to a network at any speed. Most are happy with dial-up.
To then a cap is something that place over a test tube or I.V catheter. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19653184 Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:35:40 EDT Re: Tell me it isn't so http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19652957 wifi4milez :

said by en102

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Not everyone cares about having 50Mbps, especially with caps.
Many care about pricing and service.

What?? HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT. Anyone who isnt an idiot knows that everyone in America is demanding 50Mbps home connections. I mean, we hear it everyday right on this website so it must be true! :p
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College students use a LOT of bandwidth. They also don't always pay the bills.

Comcast & Qwest come in and offer $100 triple play deals (for probably 8mbps cable and even slower DSL).

These muni broadband providers have to match that (except they are 15mps) and then if the customer starts using P2P (ie torrents) and actually *using* that 15mbit god forbid then they could really lose $$ on that customer. And lets not get started on the 50mbit customers - if you were paying for 50mbit broadband would you like it if your provider told you "no sorry can't use it" for certain things?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19652759 Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:25:20 EDT Re: Tell me it isn't so http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19652750 en102 : Not everyone cares about having 50Mbps, especially with caps.
Many care about pricing and service.
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