 KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK
 ·AT&T DSL Service
1 edit | More Info... Mstar: 50/50 for $39.95 a month (3 months free) (WOW OMG)
Veracity: Not clear from website, business only apparently
Nuvont: 10 MBPS, price unclear per month
Mstar... wow that's CHEAP 50 mbps SYMETRICAL for $40.
Price doesn't seem to be an issue....
It seems like the ISP's and services may be the problem, not the network itself. For example weak bundles/poor service maybe?
Mstar offers Digital Phone, IPTV, and Internet for very attractive prices. Something else may be up. Big boys playing dirty? What incumbent cable and phone co serve Utah?
*Edit: Further checking reveals iProvo is in competition with Utopia, another fiber provider, and Utopia is a bit cheaper. Wow, this part of Utah has it good... I'd *love* to be trying to figure out which Fiber provider to pick... especially at these great prices. |
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| said by KrK:Mstar offers Digital Phone, IPTV, and Internet for very attractive prices. Something else may be up. Big boys playing dirty? What incumbent cable and phone co serve Utah? It's not the "big boys" playing dirty, it's economics pure and simple. Anytime someone tries to explain to the BBR masses why muni-broadband isn't such a great idea, they get called corporate fanboys which isn't always the case. Some of us did go to college and learn how the machine called the American economy works. Corporations have what munis don't, economies of scale. Because of that, they will almost always be able to offer rates muni's can't. In plain english, the more customers you have, the cheaper it is to provide them service. Comcast has about 10 million broadband customers, I don't think Utah has 10 Million people.
People on BBR think that their $20-$60 a month is feeding everyone at a corporation. People really have zero clue about all the costs involved in running and supporting an ISP. |
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KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK Reviews:
·AT&T DSL Service
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Yeah, we all would hate 50/50 connections for $40. Let's keep that 5/.5 connection for $35 instead. There's nothing wrong with Muni-broadband EXCEPT that it undermines large corporations control and profit-taking... which is why they oppose it so much (and their fanboys jump on here to bash Muni-Broadband). Since the network is open, the big boys could still provide services on it, and be another partner... but that's not what they want. They want it gone, period, and they want to use lobbying and legislation (not competition) to get rid of it.
The *only* problem iProvo has is that it's up against a COMPETING Fiber provider, Utopia. If iProvo was located say here, at&t and Cox would be screwed.
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The TV services stink and it's the same lineup on both iProvo and UTOPIA. No sports packages like NHL Center Ice or NBA League Pass. On-demand isn't close to matching the stuff Comcast has. |
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lawrence171Evilly Yours - Evilness
join:2001-12-24
Canada | reply to soothsayer15
Those companies will not compete without competition.
A corporation's main objective is to maximize profits.
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said by soothsayer15:said by KrK:Mstar offers Digital Phone, IPTV, and Internet for very attractive prices. Something else may be up. Big boys playing dirty? What incumbent cable and phone co serve Utah? It's not the "big boys" playing dirty, it's economics pure and simple. Anytime someone tries to explain to the BBR masses why muni-broadband isn't such a great idea, they get called corporate fanboys which isn't always the case. Some of us did go to college and learn how the machine called the American economy works. Corporations have what munis don't, economies of scale. Because of that, they will almost always be able to offer rates muni's can't. In plain english, the more customers you have, the cheaper it is to provide them service. Comcast has about 10 million broadband customers, I don't think Utah has 10 Million people. People on BBR think that their $20-$60 a month is feeding everyone at a corporation. People really have zero clue about all the costs involved in running and supporting an ISP. Good idea. If it's only a matter of economy of scale then munis are obviously too small, we need larger government entities to do this. The states could do it, except some states don't have the financial resources.
The U.S. Federal Government has the resources, let's get Congress to provide universal broadband.
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said by lawrence171:A corporation's main objective is to maximize profits. So is a drug dealer. The only difference is, instead of using guns to protect their markets, corporations have politicians to write up laws to protect their interests. |
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 batterupI Can Not Tell A Lie.Premium
join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ | reply to KrK
The US of A had the best communication system in the world for over 90 years because the government let business run the show. Government just set price.
Ma Bell is dead and yet the people bitch. |
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KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK | The Abuses were legendary.
First comes the abuse, then the solution.... |
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batterupI Can Not Tell A Lie.Premium
join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ Reviews:
·Verizon Online DSL
| said by KrK:The Abuses were legendary. First comes the abuse, then the solution.... The solution is abuses the likes of which were not seen in 100 years. |
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KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK Reviews:
·AT&T DSL Service
| Sorry Batterup, I know you really really like the Bell system, but personally, I believe the break up did advance technology. Course, it's arguable that the system is re-monopolizing itself... but I'll wait until at&t and Verizon announce a merger to declare that 
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batterupI Can Not Tell A Lie.Premium
join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ | said by KrK:Sorry Batterup, I know you really really like the Bell system, ...... liked |
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