Re: complete ISDN newbie.. LOTS of questions in ISDN

Re: complete ISDN newbie.. LOTS of questions in ISDN http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r19664897 en Fri, 05 Dec 2008 03:24:20 EDT Fri, 05 Dec 2008 03:24:20 EDT Re: complete ISDN newbie.. LOTS of questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19796846 Splitpair :

said by Nikodaemos :

im not sure that AT&T offers ISDL, honestly, but looking into it wouldnt hurt.

To the best of my knowledge they do not offer it.

Do a google on IDSL.

Wayne
--
Yeah, there's a storm on the loose, sirens in my head
Wrapped up in silence, all circuits are dead
Cannot decode - my whole life spins into a frenzy
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19796846 Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:51:23 EDT Re: complete ISDN newbie.. LOTS of questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19796819 anon : ahh. it mostly sounds like one of the ordering codes for an ISDN.

im not sure that AT&T offers ISDL, honestly, but looking into it wouldnt hurt. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19796819 Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:44:04 EDT Re: complete ISDN newbie.. LOTS of questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19796809 Splitpair : IDSL is flat rate per month ISDN is usually charged per minute. Also no PSTN connectivity with IDSL Internet only.

Wayne ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19796809 Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:41:10 EDT Re: complete ISDN newbie.. LOTS of questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19796801 anon : ive never heard it called "IDSL" before - always ISDL.

and connecting with 2 B channels over a "regular" ISDN gets you 128k.. so im not sure i see the difference. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19796801 Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:39:15 EDT Re: complete ISDN newbie.. LOTS of questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19796791 Splitpair :

said by Nikodaemos :

ive never even heard of IDSL. you thinking ISDL? That ive heard of, basically an ISDN line that uses the D channel for data too. IDSL i havent.

That is IDSL which bonds the two B channels for a 128 pipe. Some providers will try bonding the two B's and the D for a 144 but that combo doesn’t play well with all SLC systems so 128 is the standard way to un IDSL.

Wayne
--
Yeah, there's a storm on the loose, sirens in my head
Wrapped up in silence, all circuits are dead
Cannot decode - my whole life spins into a frenzy
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19796791 Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:35:57 EDT Re: complete ISDN newbie.. LOTS of questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19795786 anon : no,i wont be ordering it until my tax return comes, i need the extra cash to pay for the installtion/router/extra costs. So probably a month or two at least, unfortunately.

ive never even heard of IDSL. you thinking ISDL? That ive heard of, basically an ISDN line that uses the D channel for data too. IDSL i havent. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19795786 Mon, 14 Jan 2008 00:10:13 EDT Re: complete ISDN newbie.. LOTS of questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19791964 Mchart : Don't know if you have allready ordered and what not. But have you looked into IDSL? Assuming you can find the right ISP pretty much everyone can get it, unless you are way out in the boonies. It's a little faster then ISDN, and not as archaic in design.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19791964 Sun, 13 Jan 2008 12:15:16 EDT Re: complete ISDN newbie.. LOTS of questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19782699 music4praise : Keep us posted on how it goes. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19782699 Fri, 11 Jan 2008 17:01:01 EDT Re: complete ISDN newbie.. LOTS of questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19782096 anon : i know what you mean, id love to get DSL or Cable - but the nearest Cable is 2 miles away (or more, 2 miles is just the random number that the Charter Comm. person on the phone spat out) and we're 14 miles outside of town, so we're WAY far away from DSL.

but with Sprint Mobile Broadband for high bandwidth needs (where latency isnt an issue) + ISDN for latency sensitive applications (online gaming, remote desktop) should be serviceable and if i can use Order code S1 to get it for 50-ish a month, well be paying 110 for internet a month total - only about 35 more than Charter charges for a Cable Modem if you dont have cable TV, so, really, no that big a deal.

Probably going to get it as soon as my tax return comes.

thanks much for the help. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19782096 Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:30:49 EDT Re: complete ISDN newbie.. LOTS of questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19781978 aeblank : Netone doesn't care if it is S or S1. To them, it is dialup.

Order code S1 gets you the ability to have an incoming phone call disconnect your data and ring through. Dunno how much it costs (as mentioned, probably $7), but that gives you the ability to peg your connection 24x7 and also get phone calls. 804 redials when voice call is over.

Mine costs less than $55 after taxes. Then I pay $99/year for dialup and I'm set for something like $60/mo. I use 3u for long distance on both lines and since I never use it, I get a bill a time or two per year (for LD).

I'd still trade it all in for 256k dsl.

and yeah, say you want ISDN with order code S1.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19781978 Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:10:17 EDT Re: complete ISDN newbie.. LOTS of questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19780904 music4praise : S would be a little cheaper than S1. I suggest you call Netonecom and find out which configuration of ISDN works best with their gear and go with that.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19780904 Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:11:55 EDT Re: complete ISDN newbie.. LOTS of questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19780637 anon : so would you suggest just ordering the S-1 package thingy?

getting it for 40-50bucks would be MUCH nicer and make it a no-brainer. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19780637 Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:27:07 EDT Re: complete ISDN newbie.. LOTS of questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19778286 music4praise : I found the posted tariffs for AT&T ISDN in Michigan and I am now 100% sure that you were quoted business rates. I tallied up the various charges on the business listing and I came up with about $75 which is what you were quoted. Using residential rates and unlimited calling it should be between $40 and $50. Both of these are before taxes and fees. I think you should be able to get in for less than $60/month including taxes and fees. Here is a link to the tariff:

»www.att.com/Large-Files/RIMS/Mic···1701.pdf

The residential pricing is on page 68. You will need the termination ($16), a calling plan ($15), and the circuit switching on each B channel ($8). Additional call offering stuff is $2.50 each and I suspect you will need a couple of those for it to work right. Then you add in the usual junk fees, 911 stuff, and taxes.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19778286 Thu, 10 Jan 2008 22:22:11 EDT Re: complete ISDN newbie.. LOTS of questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19777494 music4praise : If you plan on just using the ISDN line for data, I suggest you order IOC-S not IOC-S1. It is a little cheaper. What you lose is the ability of an incoming call to override one of the channels and let the call come through. You can still make and receive voice calls when you are not on the Internet. Also, if you just connect one of the channels, you can use the other for voice.

The IOC-U that I had provided call forwarding, three-way calling, etc. on one of the channels. Since I have a cell phone now, if I needed to go back to ISDN, I would definitely save the few bucks--I think around $7/month and go with the IOC-S package.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19777494 Thu, 10 Jan 2008 20:11:41 EDT Re: complete ISDN newbie.. LOTS of questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19777207 anon : I guess im still a little confused about the order code thing.

when i call, do i just tell them i want order code S-1 and that is that?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19777207 Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:25:15 EDT Re: complete ISDN newbie.. LOTS of questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19776025 anon : will do]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19776025 Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:17:59 EDT Re: complete ISDN newbie.. LOTS of questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19774982 music4praise : Here is a great web page about ordering codes and other useful ISDN information:

»www.nationalisdncouncil.com/ioc.htm

I still think you were quoted a business ISDN line. Make sure that they understand you want residential service.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19774982 Thu, 10 Jan 2008 13:50:40 EDT Re: complete ISDN newbie.. LOTS of questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19774813 anon : im out in the Lapeer area. The lady i talked to on the phone when inquiring about ordering, ballparked me at 75 bucks a month for the ISDN line itself, and when i asked about call costs, (or potential time limits) she said that all calls in michigan were 14 cents.

thanks for the tip on the router.

as to the Order Code... call me a newb, but what is that for? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19774813 Thu, 10 Jan 2008 13:20:05 EDT Re: complete ISDN newbie.. LOTS of questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19774559 music4praise : Yikes, prices in Michigan have gone up!!! Three years ago I had unlimited ISDN for about $58/month on IOC-U. The IOC-S1 service would have been a few dollars cheaper but I also used the ISDN line for voice calls and IOC-U has some nice features. You might want to call back and ask what unlimited or perhaps even a call plan 50 would cost. It sound to me like you were offered business service instead of residential but maybe that is just the way it is now.

If you have to control the dial outs, you may want to use a TA instead of a router. You only hook up one computer with a TA but you are in complete control of connects and disconnects. By the very nature of it, a router tries to manage behind the scenes for you.

One more thing about the Cisco 804, if you go this way be sure to get one designed for North America which has a U interface and not an S/T. You would need a converter (NT1) otherwise.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19774559 Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:32:17 EDT Re: complete ISDN newbie.. LOTS of questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19773508 aeblank : I'm in michigan with SBC (well, now AT&T) and i have unlimited ISDN (both local calls and minutes).

Order code S-1.
I set up 2 ISDNs in Manistee and one in Cadillac.

Where are you?

For routers, Cisco 804. Steep learning curve, but pretty rock solid. I stay connected for weeks on end.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19773508 Thu, 10 Jan 2008 09:13:14 EDT Re: complete ISDN newbie.. LOTS of questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19770361 anon : okay... looks like the ISDN line itself will run about 74 bucks a month... rather higher than i wanted to be paying, but the provider i linked above has unlimited access for 10 bucks a month if you pay for a year at a time (which i most definitely would) so... about 85 dollars or so a month for ISDN service.

a little pricier than i'd like.. but trying to game over Mobile Broadband has become frustrating, and online games are pretty much the only way i get to see my friends regularly - and honestly, i could drop 40 dollars in gas going to see one of my friends *once*, so it's looking pretty likely.

what i need now is a TA/Router. Im looking for a recommendation for a good ISDN router. I'd like to stay below 150 bucks if possible, but for the right piece of hardware, id consider going higher.

Also, can i interact with the ISDN router the same way i would with a regular router? I need to be able to set this thing up to NOT dial out unless it is told to - in Michigan ISDN lines are 14cents/call, so i dont want a disconnect or connection issue racking me up a 2000 dollar phone bill.

thanks for all the help so far... ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19770361 Wed, 09 Jan 2008 19:03:40 EDT Re: complete ISDN newbie.. LOTS of questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19755247 anon : from another link on the forums (from a very old post):

»www.netonecom.net/index.php?port···_page=26

these guys appear to offer 128k ISDN service for right on 11 bucks a month (if you pay yearly) !

i conacted their tech support email to ask if their local access number near me supported 128k ISDN connections, and got a response from them in 2 hours (and i sent the email at 10PM!).

Some of you may want to check them out, if youre paying more for service. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19755247 Mon, 07 Jan 2008 13:35:55 EDT Re: complete ISDN newbie.. LOTS of questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19753956 fozngoof : Remember that is 200 total hours. You will be using both channels to get the 128 speed, so in actuality you will only get 100 hours/channel = 200.

If you do get the limited hours make sure your TA disconnects after you use it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19753956 Mon, 07 Jan 2008 09:40:19 EDT Re: complete ISDN newbie.. LOTS of questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19750803 anon : ive been looking for a local ISP, and most of them seem to want 70-80 bucks a month for a 128k login w/unlimited hours.

Im not sure that id use it more than 200 hours/month (which is what most seem to offer for 20 bucks or so) but i dont want to inadvertently do so and then end up with a huge bill.

im trying to find someone that has unlimited connection time for a decent price (between 10-40 bucks a month) ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19750803 Sun, 06 Jan 2008 18:07:57 EDT Re: complete ISDN newbie.. LOTS of questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19748016 fozngoof : going to have to say no

SBC/YAHOO has been hit or miss with some users. If you get it to work it is less than $10/month. I had it work for quite awhile, but then I only could get one line up at a time.

It is one of those things you will have to try and see if it works for you.

If you want ZERO headache. Go with someone that supports dual bonded logins. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19748016 Sun, 06 Jan 2008 03:41:13 EDT Re: complete ISDN newbie.. LOTS of questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19744394 anon : much obliged.

does AT&T happen to offer a package for internet access as well? id rather write one check/make one payment. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19744394 Sat, 05 Jan 2008 15:09:13 EDT Re: complete ISDN newbie.. LOTS of questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19742789 music4praise : I did some more digging around. Here is the number I used for isdn orders/changes several years ago when I still had isdn service. I just dialed it and it is currently closed (today is Saturday and it is open M-F) but the message said AT&T Consumer Data Services Center so I am sure it is the right number for you.

888-878-4736]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19742789 Sat, 05 Jan 2008 09:33:15 EDT Re: complete ISDN newbie.. LOTS of questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19739686 anon : most of those numbers lead to a computer with menu's that i havent been able to make dump me out at a real person.

good to know ill have to call a business rep - that will save time

can anyone recommend a good ISP for ISDN service?

id like unlimited connections without mortgaging my soul. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19739686 Fri, 04 Jan 2008 18:10:22 EDT Re: complete ISDN newbie.. LOTS of questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19738489 fozngoof : Ask for someone to help you with T1 lines and ISDN lines. The people that deal with T1's should be able to direct you to the right place. (The initial operator is more likely to know what T1 lines are than ISDN)

It is almost always considered a "business" class. So make sure you are not going through residential service.

Good luck]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19738489 Fri, 04 Jan 2008 14:56:46 EDT Re: complete ISDN newbie.. LOTS of questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19737626 music4praise : Here are some possibilities:

800-649-9598

If you are interested in AT&T ISDN service, contact your AT&T Sales Representative who can provide more detailed information on service features and help you place your order. You may also contact us for assistance using the following telephone numbers:

* For Calls within Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin: 1-800-552-8647
* For calls within California and Nevada: 1-800-472-4736
* For calls within Missouri, Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Kansas: 1-800-792-4736
* For calls within Connecticut: 1-888-718-7638 ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19737626 Fri, 04 Jan 2008 12:34:02 EDT Re: complete ISDN newbie.. LOTS of questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19737271 anon : I'm finding it impossible to figure out who to call at AT&T to even talk to someone about an ISDN line. every number on their website either sends you to an automated DSL ordering line or an automated Dial-up ordering line.

Is there some number i can call to actually talk to a real live person?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19737271 Fri, 04 Jan 2008 11:41:00 EDT Re: complete ISDN newbie.. LOTS of questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19729953 fozngoof : You need:

an ISDN line
an ISP (number to call)
Terminal Adapter
and a computer :)

As for the TA. Get what suits your needs. If you only connect to one computer, get the appropriate device. If you think you might want to connect multiple computers, get that device. I don't remember there being a huge difference in price. (and it varies, depending on who is selling it)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19729953 Thu, 03 Jan 2008 09:47:07 EDT Re: complete ISDN newbie.. LOTS of questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19728418 anon : well ill be calling AT&T today to see about getting it installed and pricing.

is there a huge difference between a normal Ethernet-equipped TA and a LAN TA(router, im assuming) in price?

and though i think i asked this already - am i going to need something other than a TA/LAN TA and a number to call? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19728418 Wed, 02 Jan 2008 23:26:15 EDT Re: complete ISDN newbie.. LOTS of questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19687558 anon : In Tennessee, ISDN is around $45/month for the line. Trying to find a 128k ISP is another matter. Seems like not many do nowadays and if they do, they want 30 - 50 bucks.
I have SEVERAL and I do mean SEVERAL ISDN TA's and a couple LAN TAs. I keep extras just in case.
Ebay is your best bet for TA's. Just keep an eye out for them. Also, be real careful about talking ISDN with the "normals" out there. I can't tell you how many times I've been asked "how do you spell that?"
Gotta love the non-geeks. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19687558 Wed, 26 Dec 2007 13:33:06 EDT Re: complete ISDN newbie.. LOTS of questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19664897 fozngoof : Call your phone company. They may not know what you are talking about. See if they can transfer you to someone that knows something about T1 lines. (You don't need a T1, but they should at least be able to point you in the right direction)

Good Luck.

ps. You might register with the forums. Lots of cool stuff here.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19664897 Fri, 21 Dec 2007 15:13:56 EDT Re: complete ISDN newbie.. LOTS of questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19662310 anon : yeah, definitely serious. the ping on WB just isnt there for gaming. (or anything else latency sensitive). The actual bandwidth of the service is great so far, but i need a reliable low ping to game on.

just trying to figure out who i have to call and pester to get one put in out here, and then find an ISP that will support 128k ISDN. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19662310 Fri, 21 Dec 2007 04:16:03 EDT Re: complete ISDN newbie.. LOTS of questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19661802 fozngoof : You plug on cord into the jack, and the other into the modem/router. That is all the monkeying you will have to do...with wiring.

You will have to configure the modem/router. Your ISP "may" be able to help you. Otherwise we can help.

Modem/router can range as high as a few hundred dollars to $10. All depends on when you look, and where you look. (If you are serious about ISDN, might see if anyone here has one they will sell you)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19661802 Fri, 21 Dec 2007 00:33:14 EDT Re: complete ISDN newbie.. LOTS of questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19656288 storm58 : We called our phone company (Verizon) then they passed us off to someone who does a loop qualification test. Almost two months later and they still haven't done a thing.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19656288 Thu, 20 Dec 2007 08:34:21 EDT Re: complete ISDN newbie.. LOTS of questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19652779 anon : I guess what i meant about the phone company installing everything i need to get up and running was:

if i get said ISDN modem/router, will i just be able to plug it in (and do any configuration i need, obviously, to get the thing to dial) and go? or am i going to have to monkey with wires and crap?

and who do i call? the local local telephone company? Im not even too sure who that is here....

also, about roughly how much does an ISDN modem/router cost?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19652779 Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:28:54 EDT Re: complete ISDN newbie.. LOTS of questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19645405 fozngoof : I'll answer some of your questions, as best as I can remember them.

BTW even the old links will be very helpful. Not much, if anything, has changed.

Pings for the games will be around 70-120, depending on the servers.

The install will vary, mine was around $200. I got it waived by agreeing to keep it for 2 years.

They will install the line. The phone company will not supply a router or modem. (Get those from a member here or on EBAY)

There is a little bit of setup to get the modem/router working. Ask here, and search through this forum for help.

My ISDN was about $70/month. Though you will have to also pay for an ISP. $10-$50/month.

You can leave your ISDN on all the time if you have an unlimited ISP plan. Though I used the dial on demand, and never really noticed it dialing out. It is super fast.

I noticed no real difference between DSL/Cable and ISDN when it comes to normal web surfing. Downloading files on the other hand are much slower, though you said you have other options for downloads.

Read through the FAQ's at the top of the forums.

Hope that helped a little.

Foz]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19645405 Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:19:11 EDT Re: complete ISDN newbie.. LOTS of questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19643159 anon : even some links to modern/up to date guides would be appreciated.

most of the stuff ive found online is years out of date. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19643159 Tue, 18 Dec 2007 09:08:35 EDT complete ISDN newbie.. LOTS of questions http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19637023 anon : ok, up until now ive been fortunate enough to live in areas that have Cable or DSL access. Now, we live out in the middle of nowhere.

We've recently purchased Sprint Mobile Broadband and I am pretty impressed with the service (plenty of bandwidth for downloads and stuff) except for one thing:

online gaming.

online gaming is pretty much the only contact i have with my friends outside of once every month or so getting together, so it is pretty important to me as a way to still have fun with my friends.

we're considering getting an ISDN line specifically for gaming (and keeping the Sprint connection for general web surfing and downloading - since its got plenty of badwidth, but junk latency)

from what ive seen so far on this site, ISDN has latency that im used to - 50-100ish ms - not the 200-350 i average on EVDO.

so i have a ton of questions regarding ISDN:

how expensive is it usually to get it installed?

when the phone company installs it, do they also install all/most of the hardware needed to actually use the thing for the internet? (I.E, im sure id need to get a router or modem of some kind, but is it usually going to be ready for me to just plug said device in and be done?)

do you usually have to get a separate internet provider to use the ISDN with, or does the phone company provide that for you? Or does it vary? Someone said try getting a business installation - does that cost more usually (but has infinite usage?). Ive also seen that Sprint offers some T1-speed ISDN packages for business, but i immagine those are hugely expensive and out of my reach. (though if it is within 30-40% of the combined cost of the EVDO and ISDN, it may be worth it..)

how much is the monthly fee, usually, for an ISDN? And ive seen some places here where people have said that it is charged a per-minute fee. Is that always the case? (if so, that would be terrible..)

Is it difficult to manage an ISDN connection or is it always-on, like i am used to with Cable and DSL?

basically, i'm a complete newbie when it comes to anything ISDN related, since ive never had to consider the technology before (though i knew it existed and it used regular phone lines and all that) and could really use an in-depth primer if anyone has a link to it or is patient enough to write me up a walk-through.

and lastly - is anyone in or around Lapeer (Lapeer County) Michigan, using an ISDN? and if so, who do i need to call to get one installed?

thanks in advance, and if you can think of any other advice that might be helpful, feel free! ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19637023 Mon, 17 Dec 2007 09:33:49 EDT