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Re: Bull F'ing Crap
said by kapil  :but it never worked because the hardware was Analog and Verizon's analog network in Chicago is not the best. ... and to placate me and prevent me from suing their pants off Why would Verizon's lack of decent analog service be OnStar's fault, let alone legally liable? At best it would be they sold you a product that didn't work well in a given area. If it worked fine in a better serviced analog area, it's hardly a defective product. |
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kapil
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Chicago, IL
| Because I don't buy the hardware from GM/Onstar and the connectivity from Verizon separately...I buy Onstar and it's Onstar's job to make sure it works. Especially since one of the biggest selling points of their service is the safety/security aspect of it.
They sold it to me knowing full well that Analog is going away...and I suspect I wasn't the only one they sold it to. So, instead of inflaming the situation and possibly ending up with a class action lawsuit on their hands, they did the smart thing and bought off the complaining owners.
I should add that I was rather pleased with how they handled it at the corporate level after the initial BS I had to put up with while the dealer and the service rep were trying to make it my problem.
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pnh102
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| said by kapil :They sold it to me knowing full well that Analog is going away...and I suspect I wasn't the only one they sold it to. What did you expect? It is a car dealership.
When airbags were mandated in cars back in the 1990s (or whenever it was, I don't remember), they still had to sell the cars which lacked airbags. They made up all sorts of silly claims about cars with airbags somehow being more "dangerous" than cars without them.
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kapil
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| LOL. Funny you bring that up...I recently had a similar conversation about a hybrid car with a salesman who didn't have any in stock to sell.
He tried every trick in the book to steer me away from a hybrid...and towards regular car he just happened to have in stock.
I never knew that the chemical in the batteries used in hybrids vaporizes and can enter the vehicle and kill the occupants...almost like carbon monoxide. LOL.
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pnh102
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| said by kapil :He tried every trick in the book to steer me away from a hybrid...and towards regular car he just happened to have in stock. I never knew that the chemical in the batteries used in hybrids vaporizes and can enter the vehicle and kill the occupants...almost like carbon monoxide. LOL. Well there are legitimate issues related to hybrids that will forever keep me from buying them. They aren't related to the bona fide BS that the dealer tried feeding you, but that brings me to another point.
I personally think the best way to buy a car is to research it on Edmunds (no I don't work for them). We bought our last car in June of 2007. We ended up picking out a 2007 Honda Civic EX (non-hybrid) with a bunch of options we liked, and then submitted the quote to a bunch of local dealers. We bought the car from the dealer with the lowest quote. No haggling and no BS were involved, and we paid about quite a bit below the "invoice" price of the car.
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Shark_615
join:2006-01-17
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Hybrid cars are not as great as the auto-hippies would like you to believe. The batteries are expensive to make both dollar and environementally wise, the MPG is not anywhere near what the sticker says and your net savings in regards to the 'environment' are lower then other more conventional vehicles.
Of course you do get a large does of smug so that may be worth it |
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kapil
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Chicago, IL
| I think the real value of Hybrids is that they force us to think different. We are not going to save the planet with Hybrid cars...but if we can think up a Hybrid car, we can follow up with Hydrogen cars...and who knows what's next.
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older dog
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Norwich, NY | I guess any step forward is good I just wonder why they will have fuel cells in forklifts before the automakers do.
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pnh102
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said by kapil :I think the real value of Hybrids is that they force us to think different. We have Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel now. If more car companies started selling diesel vehicles once again we'd get a significant boost in gas mileage.
Of course, the Federal government is wedded to ethanol thanks to agri-business. Most states also tax diesel fuel higher than unleaded. I guess that just proves once again government is the cause of the problem here.
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said by kapil :I think the real value of Hybrids is that they force us to think different. We are not going to save the planet with Hybrid cars...but if we can think up a Hybrid car, we can follow up with Hydrogen cars...and who knows what's next. The problem is that hydrogen-powered cars aren't going to solve much either. They certainly eliminate harmful emissions from the car itself, but since we don't have access to a plentiful supply of molecular hydrogen, one has to consider how the fuel is produced. One option is to produce it chemically from hydrocarbons - i.e. fossil fuels, and another is to produce it by electrolysis of water which requires loads of energy which would probably come from fossil fuels! |
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| said by DMS1 :The problem is that hydrogen-powered cars aren't going to solve much either. They certainly eliminate harmful emissions from the car itself, but since we don't have access to a plentiful supply of molecular hydrogen, one has to consider how the fuel is produced. One option is to produce it chemically from hydrocarbons - i.e. fossil fuels, and another is to produce it by electrolysis of water which requires loads of energy which would probably come from fossil fuels! Solar powered and geothermal electrolysis plants... The Europeans have working setups already in testing. |
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OnStar Digital Locked To 1 Technology: 1xRTT CDMA
Their big deal is with Verizon, but the new Digital equipment is supposed to be Dual-Band CDMA (800MHz-1900MHz), so Sprint, Alltel, MetroPCS, Cricket, are possible other providers.
GSM/UMTS/WCDMA not an option, but it looks like EVDO Rev.A/B/ or LTE isn't in the cards either.
My 2007 Pontiac Grand Prix plays nice with Verizon 1x CDMA, but there are no promises that I won't need to buy an upgrade radio module for whatever they try over the next 5 years.
I think they hesitated until the last minute to see what digital technology would prevail, or at least offer the best coverage/service reliability.
That is why they just woke up to including digital technology in the past few years.
They had to consider Analog, TDMA, GSM, CDMA, plus multi-band operation.
By 2012, the current digital equipment might need replacement as well.
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wtansill
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Re: Bull F'ing Crap
Because many forklifts are used indoors. 30+ years ago as a teenager, I worked in several warehouses driving propane-powered forklifts. Propane was far better than gasoline because the emissions were not harmful enough to kill us in the warehouse. Fuel cells are a further improvement over that. |
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said by kapil :LOL. Funny you bring that up...I recently had a similar conversation about a hybrid car with a salesman who didn't have any in stock to sell. He tried every trick in the book to steer me away from a hybrid...and towards regular car he just happened to have in stock. I never knew that the chemical in the batteries used in hybrids vaporizes and can enter the vehicle and kill the occupants...almost like carbon monoxide. LOL. They only trigger that if you dont make your payments |
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fireflier
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said by factchecker :
Solar powered and geothermal electrolysis plants... The Europeans have working setups already in testing.
Solar. Probably. Geo, not likely. Wind will probably supplement demand as well but it's horribly unpredictable from day to day. In most areas of the country, drilling to the depths necessary for geothermal would make station construction prohibitively expensive. Solar has the drawback of limited energy production / ft^2 and worse yet, it could prduce hydrogen at most 12 hours/day (well unless you live in Alaska).
If memory serves, Sweden has a southern highway ring with hydrogen stations for the limited demand but those won't keep up with the current auto infrastructure demand. I'm not even sure if all the existing stations could convert to solar producing hydrogen that enough could be produced to run all the cars on the road if they switched.
Like it or not, the most likely candidate for massive quantities of hydrogen production may well come from nuclear. Nukes are among the highest output plants in existence, and barring turbine/generator equipment problems, they run pretty much non-stop between re-fuelings.
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said by pnh102 : If more car companies started selling diesel vehicles once again we'd get a significant boost in gas mileage. Only if Americans can get it out of their heads that diesels are not the slow black smoke belching cars that they once were. Fact is, Americans as a whole don't embrace diesel engines like the Europeans do. |
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said by factchecker :said by DMS1 :The problem is that hydrogen-powered cars aren't going to solve much either. They certainly eliminate harmful emissions from the car itself, but since we don't have access to a plentiful supply of molecular hydrogen, one has to consider how the fuel is produced. One option is to produce it chemically from hydrocarbons - i.e. fossil fuels, and another is to produce it by electrolysis of water which requires loads of energy which would probably come from fossil fuels! Solar powered and geothermal electrolysis plants... The Europeans have working setups already in testing. Don't forget Nuclear power, US Navy vessels like Subs and Aircraft Carriers use It and have used It safely for years for their power needs and also make fresh water in abundance too. If You can make water, One can crack It too. 
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I have a Toyota Highlander Hybrid, I also have an 06" Chevy Tahoe and Explorer. The Highlander can carry the same amount of people that I need as my Explorer and Tahoe. Well The Tahoe get's 14 MPG city and the Explorer get's 15-16 with easy driving. My Toyota Highlander Hybrid get's 29 MPG city and 27 Highway. Thats 15 MPG better than the Tahoe and it's much quicker than the Tahoe. And price difference, My Tahoe was $39,000, my Highlander with the same options and more was only $34,000.
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said by pnh102 :Of course, the Federal government is wedded to ethanol thanks to agri-business. Most states also tax diesel fuel higher than unleaded. I guess that just proves once again government is the cause of the problem here. Actually, the cause of the problem is that Government is wedded to lobbyist dollars and large business interests--- not the citizenry. This whole ethanol thing is such a bill of goods. Whatever happens, it's designed to extract maximum profits, not actually achieve anything useful.
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Diesel exhaust aftertreatment and emissions component costs are easily as much as any additional costs associated with a hybrid.
In addition to the additional equipment costs for diesel, there are concerns about the longevity of those aftertreatment systems.
Who wants a plugged particulate filter, or a leaking exhaust fuel injector (or in-cylinder injector as in the video)? Perhaps a plugged EGR cooler is preferable?
»www.youtube.com/watch?v=321LwkM7i90
Significant gains for either diesel or gasoline are going to come with costs.
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