 dadkinsCan you do Blu?Premium,MVM
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kudos:18 | China anyone? Uhm... BULLSHIT!
If I want to search for Latex Porn, regardless of the source, I should be able to.
Who is going to be the Judge and Jury of what I can do with my internet connection?
Who's values are going to be used as a guideline?
What about when this horse manure starts blocking LEGIT sites/sources?
Nothing is infallible.
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| said by dadkins:Who is going to be the Judge and Jury of what I can do with my internet connection? The ISPs.
said by dadkins:Who's values are going to be used as a guideline? Society & the legal system
said by dadkins:What about when this horse manure starts blocking LEGIT sites/sources? Nothing is infallible. Collateral damage.
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Isn't this where the ISPs form a collective and build a warchest to lobby with?
I would charge the content companies with traffic fees!
Seriously, an ISP has to be responsible for its content passing through? And if they are proactive, the tab will be incredible (annual support fees and licenses w/updates).
Heck, my firewall vendor keeps nailing me with subscription updates and other nickel-dime services (oh, you want an ethernet port? $100/yr. Oh, you need gigabit? another $50/yr. First 50 users are free...but hey, you want 25 more...chaching)
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dadkinsCan you do Blu?Premium,MVM
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Yeah, wait 'til it happens to you, then go ahead and dismiss it. 
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You have a very skewed idea of what's happening here, HCT:
said by fAcEtIOUs:said by dadkins:Who is going to be the Judge and Jury of what I can do with my internet connection? The ISPs. no, it's not the ISPs, it's what the content industry will force upon the ISPs; the ISPs generally don't care what people do with their connection, unless they are big enough (comcast, TW) to also own content.
said by fAcEtIOUs:said by dadkins:Who's values are going to be used as a guideline? Society & the legal system No, it will be the content cartel's guidelines and their bought legislation, not Society's; society's guidelines are already saying IP and copyright law are very out of whack - what other message is there to draw from the fact that ANYONE that does ANYTHING creative online probably violates IP law to the tune of millions of dollars a day?
said by fAcEtIOUs:said by dadkins:What about when this horse manure starts blocking LEGIT sites/sources? Nothing is infallible. Collateral damage. As in "who gives a crap what problems this causes, we got what we wanted, who cares about the public or society at large?"
Then again, given that you consider breaking the internet as "collateral damage" in the fight to preserve the content industy's dying (yes, dying) business model, I guess you don't consider your views skewed. |
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| said by nasadude:No, it will be the content cartel's guidelines and their bought legislation, not Society's; I wonder how many people opposed to greater ISP control of illegal activities are the same people who support civil lawsuits against telcos (as a cheap way to do what they can't do through criminal proceedings). If it's a large overlap, I wonder why these same people aren't willing to let this work itself out in civil court, the subject of basically a popularity contest (not whether it's legal or constitutional).
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Hmmm Society and the legal system you say? Then can we form a coalition to say kick off sites like MTV and VH1 for promoting indecency using the same method or say, take down one of the RIAA's website when they were condoning hacking. We could also strike at your blog because it's offencive to us. Sorry a majority in society says so. Oh well. It's just collateral damage.
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said by amigo_boy:said by nasadude:No, it will be the content cartel's guidelines and their bought legislation, not Society's; I wonder how many people opposed to greater ISP control of illegal activities are the same people who support civil lawsuits against telcos (as a cheap way to do what they can't do through criminal proceedings). If it's a large overlap, I wonder why these same people aren't willing to let this work itself out in civil court, the subject of basically a popularity contest (not whether it's legal or constitutional). [duck] Mark Ah, the "Off-Topic" troll has arrived... |
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said by dadkins:Yeah, wait 'til it happens to you, then go ahead and dismiss it. Yeah. He'll be the loudest screaming about how they "stomped" all over his right to view/download content.  |
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said by ross:Ah, the "Off-Topic" troll has arrived... Yes you have.
This kind of legislation needs to be put of the discussion table, much less turned down. |
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I think Ed Whiteacre should charge the RIAA and MPAA for all the pirated content that crosses his tubes every day. Every song, album, and movie. Then there should be the monitoring fees. Then he should charge them a tax on all the charges. |
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said by grandpinaple:said by ross:Ah, the "Off-Topic" troll has arrived... Yes you have. This kind of legislation needs to be put of the discussion table, much less turned down. What kind of stupid fucking remark is that to make? You and Amigo Boy apparently can't follow the topic!
The TOPIC:
"The International Federation of the Phonographic Industry (IFPI) is pressuring European lawmakers to create the piracy equivalent of the great Chinese firewall. In a letter (pdf) to lawmakers, the group urges them to force ISPs to employ content filters, block certain protocols, and eliminate access to certain websites in "rogue jurisdictions" like the Pirate Bay. According to the group, none of these options are "overly burdensome or expensive, or causes problems for regular services to the ISP's customers...
...The RIAA, MPAA and companies such as NBC are engaged in a similar quest here in the States, and have been also urging lawmakers to force ISPs (and in some case residential hardware vendors) to implement piracy filters...
...The EFF, as you might imagine, is calling that poppycock..."
The topic is NOT civil lawsuits against Telcos for illegally handing over customer call records to the NSA, and for providing illegal real-time access to all traffic across their voice/data networks to the NSA without a warrant having been obtained, despite Amigo Boy's confused bleatings, and now your own in support of his dragging the thread "off-topic". |
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