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FFH
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join:2002-03-03
Tavistock NJ
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reply to dadkins

Re: China anyone?

said by dadkins:

Who is going to be the Judge and Jury of what I can do with my internet connection?
The ISPs.
said by dadkins:

Who's values are going to be used as a guideline?
Society & the legal system
said by dadkins:

What about when this horse manure starts blocking LEGIT sites/sources?
Nothing is infallible.
Collateral damage.
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dadkins
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said by FFH:

Collateral damage.
Yeah, wait 'til it happens to you, then go ahead and dismiss it.
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nasadude

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reply to FFH

You have a very skewed idea of what's happening here, HCT:

said by FFH:

said by dadkins:

Who is going to be the Judge and Jury of what I can do with my internet connection?
The ISPs.
no, it's not the ISPs, it's what the content industry will force upon the ISPs; the ISPs generally don't care what people do with their connection, unless they are big enough (comcast, TW) to also own content.

said by FFH:

said by dadkins:

Who's values are going to be used as a guideline?
Society & the legal system
No, it will be the content cartel's guidelines and their bought legislation, not Society's; society's guidelines are already saying IP and copyright law are very out of whack - what other message is there to draw from the fact that ANYONE that does ANYTHING creative online probably violates IP law to the tune of millions of dollars a day?

said by FFH:

said by dadkins:

What about when this horse manure starts blocking LEGIT sites/sources?
Nothing is infallible.
Collateral damage.
As in "who gives a crap what problems this causes, we got what we wanted, who cares about the public or society at large?"

Then again, given that you consider breaking the internet as "collateral damage" in the fight to preserve the content industy's dying (yes, dying) business model, I guess you don't consider your views skewed.

amigo_boy

join:2005-07-22

said by nasadude:

No, it will be the content cartel's guidelines and their bought legislation, not Society's;
I wonder how many people opposed to greater ISP control of illegal activities are the same people who support civil lawsuits against telcos (as a cheap way to do what they can't do through criminal proceedings). If it's a large overlap, I wonder why these same people aren't willing to let this work itself out in civil court, the subject of basically a popularity contest (not whether it's legal or constitutional).

[duck]

Mark

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reply to FFH

Hmmm Society and the legal system you say? Then can we form a coalition to say kick off sites like MTV and VH1 for promoting indecency using the same method or say, take down one of the RIAA's website when they were condoning hacking. We could also strike at your blog because it's offencive to us. Sorry a majority in society says so. Oh well. It's just collateral damage.
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ross7

join:2000-08-16
reply to amigo_boy

said by amigo_boy:

said by nasadude:

No, it will be the content cartel's guidelines and their bought legislation, not Society's;
I wonder how many people opposed to greater ISP control of illegal activities are the same people who support civil lawsuits against telcos (as a cheap way to do what they can't do through criminal proceedings). If it's a large overlap, I wonder why these same people aren't willing to let this work itself out in civil court, the subject of basically a popularity contest (not whether it's legal or constitutional).

[duck]

Mark
Ah, the "Off-Topic" troll has arrived...


stomp357

join:2003-04-13
Lake Charles, LA
reply to dadkins

said by dadkins:

said by FFH:

Collateral damage.
Yeah, wait 'til it happens to you, then go ahead and dismiss it.
Yeah. He'll be the loudest screaming about how they "stomped" all over his right to view/download content.

grandpinaple

join:2006-01-03
New York, NY

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reply to ross7

said by ross7:

Ah, the "Off-Topic" troll has arrived...
Yes you have.

This kind of legislation needs to be put of the discussion table, much less turned down.

ross7

join:2000-08-16

said by grandpinaple:

said by ross7:

Ah, the "Off-Topic" troll has arrived...
Yes you have.

This kind of legislation needs to be put of the discussion table, much less turned down.
What kind of stupid fucking remark is that to make? You and Amigo Boy apparently can't follow the topic!

The TOPIC:

"The International Federation of the Phonographic Industry (IFPI) is pressuring European lawmakers to create the piracy equivalent of the great Chinese firewall. In a letter (pdf) to lawmakers, the group urges them to force ISPs to employ content filters, block certain protocols, and eliminate access to certain websites in "rogue jurisdictions" like the Pirate Bay. According to the group, none of these options are "overly burdensome or expensive, or causes problems for regular services to the ISP's customers...

...The RIAA, MPAA and companies such as NBC are engaged in a similar quest here in the States, and have been also urging lawmakers to force ISPs (and in some case residential hardware vendors) to implement piracy filters...

...The EFF, as you might imagine, is calling that poppycock..."

The topic is NOT civil lawsuits against Telcos for illegally handing over customer call records to the NSA, and for providing illegal real-time access to all traffic across their voice/data networks to the NSA without a warrant having been obtained, despite Amigo Boy's confused bleatings, and now your own in support of his dragging the thread "off-topic".