Gilitar
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Re: Population density is good for deployment.
Very legitimate point. However, most of the densely populated major metropolitan areas here in the US don't have FTTH. |
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jersey7
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| Japan: 872.8/sq mi
France: 293/sq mi
South Korea: 1,274/sq mi
These are the three top countries with the fastest internet speeds.
New Jersey: 1,134/sq mi
How come New Jersey can't offer the same speeds at a comparable price?
Population density is NOT the main reason why the US have not deployed faster internet. It's mostly government policy. We are the only industrialized country in the world with no national broadband plan. We've spend over a trillion dollars in Iraq already. Rather than spend it on some foreign country, we can use a fraction of that to wire the country(and bring actual benefits to our economy). |
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Dogfather
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Laguna Hills, CA | reply to Gilitar
But they're getting it.
»www.nytimes.com/2006/08/14/techn···zon.html |
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Dogfather
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Uh, last time I looked Verizon FiOS's fastest plans were available in New Jersey as is Cablevision...to the tune of 50Mb I believe.
Remember, FTTH isn't universally available in Japan either. |
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pnh102
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said by jersey7  :We've spend over a trillion dollars in Iraq already. Blah blah blah. More BDS. Nothing to see here, move along.
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Dogfather
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Laguna Hills, CA | reply to jersey7
Yeah, and we (taxpayers) spend $60B (3X what Verizon will spend deploying FiOS) a year in Medicare fraud and $350B in Federal taxes goes uncollected every year.
What's your point other than a lame political rant? |
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jersey7
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said by pnh102 :said by jersey7 :We've spend over a trillion dollars in Iraq already. Blah blah blah. More BDS. Nothing to see here, move along. I used the Iraq factor to prove my point about the government. Remember, countries like South Korea have governments that work with providers in getting out FTTH and other new technologies by helping in funding and encouraging these large-scale projects. I'm not saying we should follow the path of the Koreans. But what I am really saying is that we Americans can do much better that what we are doing now. |
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pnh102
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| said by jersey7 :I used the Iraq factor to prove my point about the government. I'm not disputing this. We all got that point was that you believe the Iraq War is a waste of money and that the money we spend on it could be better spent on broadband deployment.
We could make the same point about any other government expenditure. For example, we've spent $7 trillion on the "War on Poverty" since the mid 1960s, but we have far more people getting government benefits now than they did in the 1960s with no end in sight.
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jersey7
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Why do you interpret it as just a political rant? The whole point is not to simply criticize the government for everything as you have probably portrayed my statement to be, but to prove the point of potential and to explain the insignificance of "population density in deployment". |
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Dogfather
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Americans are doing just fine. Plenty of residents in Jersey can get FiOS and/or Cablevision and those numbers increase every month.
The gov't has much bigger issues to tackle than giving telcos and cable operators billions to supply everyone BT and Pr0N connections. |
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said by jersey7 :Why do you interpret it as just a political rant? Because it's a political rant. |
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jersey7
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| No, you interpreted it as a political rant and you've failed to recognize the larger point of my post of why population density is not the deciding factor others perceived it to be. I acknowledge that I went on a short, small tangent with the government. However the main point still stands. |
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Dogfather
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Laguna Hills, CA | A political rant by any other name is just as lame. |
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jersey7
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| And a deliberate misinterpretation isn't?
I'm not going to sit with you and argue with you. The fact that you can't see the whole point even after my reiteration for my original reply demonstrates your lack of understanding and carelessness to even read the post and my reply throughly as I intended other readers to understand the point. |
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Richard B
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said by jersey7 :Japan: 872.8/sq mi France: 293/sq mi South Korea: 1,274/sq mi These are the three top countries with the fastest internet speeds. New Jersey: 1,134/sq mi How come New Jersey can't offer the same speeds at a comparable price? Population density is NOT the main reason why the US have not deployed faster internet. It's mostly government policy. We are the only industrialized country in the world with no national broadband plan. We've spend over a trillion dollars in Iraq already. Rather than spend it on some foreign country, we can use a fraction of that to wire the country(and bring actual benefits to our economy). Let me put it bluntly Government has the responsibility to protect it citizens hence spending in Iraq. Government has no damed business screwing around with the free market. There is no right to broadband in the Constitution. I do want government to
1. Define what is broadband
2. Tell me via government planning, what kind of broadband I need I know my needs.
3. Force any American via government planning and taxes, to spend on broadband infrastructure for and dubious unproven economic benefits.
4. plan such networks: socialism never works.
You are free to start you own business and by an OC-12 line if you think what the telecoms provided is not fast enough. Just do not involve my tax dollars. |
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Dogfather
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Laguna Hills, CA | reply to jersey7
Oh, I read the post and clearly saw your point, which as to Bush bash.
Do everyone a favor and save the political rants for the Red and Blue rooms. |
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mglunt
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Fredericksburg, VA | reply to jersey7
We get your point. You hate Bush and Oh yeah, you want Socialized Broadband. |
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jersey7
join:2007-05-14
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I apologize for writing the message quickly, but however in a response I have stated that we don't need to follow the system(of the Koreans which is government involvement), but we of course need 'something' that works. I fully understand and respect your standpoint in pure-capitalism and the wonders it has provided for America in the 20th Century. Coming back to my original reply to this thread, blaming our inaction and our poor standing in the world in the 21st Century should not be blamed on 'population density' alone. |
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| The system works just fine. I've had multi-megabit service from Cox for OVER 10 years. Already millions of people can get FTTH and tens of millions more can get multi-megabit service from competitors and those numbers are increasing by millions a year.
There is no crisis to be solved. |
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jersey7
join:2007-05-14 | reply to mglunt
And you must believe pure-capitalism. That is OK. What isn't OK is what's happening at the moment with the state of broadband in the US. |
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