Alex G Bell
join:2002-07-02
Boston, MA
2 edits | New FIOS NID
I hear tell that Verizon is beginning to install an all-in-one FIOS NID that combines the interface device, battery and power supply in a single unit for placement in customers' basements. Verizon finally got the message that their installers could save time if they did not have to mount three boxes, one outside, and run wires between them. There is really no good reason to install a NID outside; no lightning issues with fiber. If there is trouble it is just as likely to be with the power components anyway, and the unit will likely last longer when it is not subject to extreme weather.
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"Remember, Comrade, people who are willing to destroy an efficient telephone system may not be playing with a full deck." |
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grydlok
join:2004-01-06
Richmond, VA | news flash* Not everyone has a basement. |
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EMC2
join:2007-08-21
Tampa, FL | Down here we call them swimming pools........
The new-fangled "NIDs" are Just Inside ONTs (JI-ONT) and, while handy in some installs, they are not well suited for others. |
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grydlok
join:2004-01-06
Richmond, VA | exactly,  |
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Langning
Premium
join:2003-04-28
Marlborough, MA
 ·Verizon FIOS
| reply to Alex G Bell
said by Alex G Bell  :I hear tell that Verizon is beginning to install an all-in-one FIOS NID that combines the interface device, battery and power supply in a single unit for placement in customers' basements. My FIOS (last Nov) has no outside box. The fiber line terminated inside my utility room on my first/basement floor to a single plastic box mounted on inside wall.
So they are already deploying it. |
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vz tech 2
join:2005-11-19
Richmond, VA
| reply to Alex G Bell
yeah they are good to install when it's cold or wet on the install date, but a pain for the customer if fiber gets cut or actual ont goes bad and the sub has to take off work or designate someone to be there for the repair other than that they are okay |
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doncoolio
join:2005-07-18
Yucaipa, CA | reply to Alex G Bell
Any Pictures? |
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amarryat
Verizon FiOS
join:2005-05-02
Marshfield, MA
·Verizon FIOS
| reply to Langning
said by Langning :said by Alex G Bell :I hear tell that Verizon is beginning to install an all-in-one FIOS NID that combines the interface device, battery and power supply in a single unit for placement in customers' basements. My FIOS (last Nov) has no outside box. The fiber line terminated inside my utility room on my first/basement floor to a single plastic box mounted on inside wall. So they are already deploying it. Same here, that's what I got in mid December |
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mimitche
join:2003-11-22
Sterling, VA
| reply to Alex G Bell
What are the grounding requirements for this indoor ONT?
The Verizon contractor just buried the drop cable to my house for my install. I asked them to run it to a location just outside of where all my phone/cable/network wires terminate in the basement and that had power readily accessible. They declined and ran it to the spot on the house where the electric meter and old abandoned copper NID sit because they say the ONT has to be grounded. Trouble is due to remodeling by a previous owner there is no easy access to power or comm cables from that spot.
The contractors also buried the drop cable two days before the utilities were marked so I'm not inclined to trust what they say at this point... |
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Jason1010
join:2007-11-19
Harrisburg, PA
·Verizon FIOS
| reply to Langning
said by Langning :said by Alex G Bell :I hear tell that Verizon is beginning to install an all-in-one FIOS NID that combines the interface device, battery and power supply in a single unit for placement in customers' basements. My FIOS (last Nov) has no outside box. The fiber line terminated inside my utility room on my first/basement floor to a single plastic box mounted on inside wall. I had business fios installed in October and they were going to install outside, but I asked it to be installed in my network closet in my basement, so they grabbed a new box and it's one unit ONT and battery together. |
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amarryat
Verizon FiOS
join:2005-05-02
Marshfield, MA
·Verizon FIOS
| reply to mimitche
said by mimitche :What are the grounding requirements for this indoor ONT? It's plastic. The only grounding I can see is via the 3rd prong on the power cord. |
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TheOtherPete
join:2001-06-28
Boyds, MD
| reply to vz tech 2
said by vz tech 2 :yeah they are good to install when it's cold or wet on the install date, but a pain for the customer if fiber gets cut or actual ont goes bad and the sub has to take off work or designate someone to be there for the repair other than that they are okay Its been my experience that VZ will not come out to work on any problem (even if the ONT is on the outside of the house) unless the subscriber is home. |
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jerryjam
@cox.net | reply to Alex G Bell
I believe the new ont gets its ground via the 3 prong power cord. |
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noping
no route to host
Premium
join:2007-01-09
·Verizon FIOS
| reply to TheOtherPete
said by TheOtherPete :Its been my experience that VZ will not come out to work on any problem (even if the ONT is on the outside of the house) unless the subscriber is home. Not for me. I've had several unscheduled technician visits where someone will show up simply to take readings off the ONT and to re-check the equipment up to the house (in an effort to diagnose an ongoing FiOS TV problem).
So, it's useful to have the ONT outside, I'd think. |
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FFJOHNL312
Premium
join:2007-12-16
Pawtucket, RI
| reply to jerryjam
This is correct, the grounding is achieved via the power cord.
True, Mr. Bell, glass does not conduct electricity, but the components inside the ONT on the circuit board do, and they have to have some way to discharge any stray voltage that comes across them. Thus, the need for grounding.
mimitche: The BBU can be up to 50 linear feet from the ONT, and the PSU can be 100 linear feet from the BBU, but the typical ground wire (10 gauge) we use has a limit of 15' from the ONT (or copper NID) so this is likely why the drop was placed where it was. Let us know the resolution to the issue when your service is installed.
John |
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mimitche
join:2003-11-22
Sterling, VA | reply to Alex G Bell
Is it the ONT pictures in this thread?
»Re: [northeast] New Install (pictures indoor ONT 612)
John- Thanks for the additional info; I'll be sure to post an update with the install results. |
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amarryat
Verizon FiOS
join:2005-05-02
Marshfield, MA
·Verizon FIOS
| That's what the one installed here looks like. |
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FFJOHNL312
Premium
join:2007-12-16
Pawtucket, RI | Yes, that's the interior housing for the Tellabs ONT's. It also will support the newer 611's. |
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new2fios
join:2006-07-20
Camillus, NY
| reply to FFJOHNL312
said by FFJOHNL312 :True, Mr. Bell, glass does not conduct electricity, but the components inside the ONT on the circuit board do, and they have to have some way to discharge any stray voltage that comes across them. Thus, the need for grounding. True, and it is grounded via the 3-prong plug. The point is that the fiber will not be a conduit into the house for lightning that may strike utility poles or wiring in the vicinity of the house. |
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vzfios2007010319
@verizon.net
| reply to Alex G Bell
Self-installed junction box, sweep ell, and pulling ell | 
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I had _just_ finished digging in the junction box/sweep ell/pulling ell when the trenchers showed up. If I had waited any longer, I'm not sure where I would have had them trench to. From the pulling ell, there is about a 30' run of 1 1/2" under an addition to the basement. |
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