Re: 768kbps $10 DSL versus 768kbps $20 Naked DSL in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r19723889 en Wed, 03 Dec 2008 00:10:43 EDT Wed, 03 Dec 2008 00:10:43 EDT Re: 768kbps $10 DSL versus 768kbps $20 Naked DSL http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19744869 Splitpair :
said by Airwolf7 See Profile :

You two are like two peas in a pod.
Na he's a GM guy and I'm more of a Dodge leaning to Ford person. ;-)

Wayne
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said by Airwolf7 See Profile :

That might be it.

I thought that they were just stalking each other.
Nah, just the whole BBR community.
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said by Airwolf7 See Profile :

That might be it.

I thought that they were just stalking each other.
it is obvious your buddy is cyber-stalking my posts.
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I thought that they were just stalking each other.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19743971 Sat, 05 Jan 2008 13:51:35 EDT Re: 768kbps $10 DSL versus 768kbps $20 Naked DSL http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19743512 joako : No I just think it so happens Dr Olds posts in every thread and Spiltpair in every other thread. They have 32920 & 10868 posts, respectively.
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You two are like two peas in a pod.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19742830 Sat, 05 Jan 2008 09:47:21 EDT Re: 768kbps $10 DSL versus 768kbps $20 Naked DSL http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19742828 Airwolf7 : Do you and Doctor Olds chase each other around the site so that the two of you can argue.

You two are like two peas in a pod.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19742828 Sat, 05 Jan 2008 09:46:39 EDT Re: 768kbps $10 DSL versus 768kbps $20 Naked DSL http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19742588 Splitpair :
said by Doctor Olds See Profile :

Since outside plant costs for maintenance also costs more in areas with higher costs of living, it sure is clear that DSL is less expensive to deliver than Bellsouth's pricing leads one to believe.
That is simply untrue.

OSP maintenance costs are based on a well known formulas all based on subscriber miles which simply is how many miles of pairs are required to serve the subscriber base.

Generally speaking OSP maintenance per year costs are lower in the areas of a higher cost of living as subscriber density is also considerably higher resulting in more subscribers per mile of plant. Since it is the total number of miles of loop per subscriber deployed which determines the cost of maintaining that plant a smaller denser OSP with shorter loops will have considerable lower cost of maintenance compared to an out in the sticks lower cost of living area where each loop may be many miles per subscriber.

In fact it was the considerably higher deployment and maintenance costs of serving those out in the “country” that led to the formation of many rural Telco’s and the RUS funding.

Wayne
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-ml]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19739400 Fri, 04 Jan 2008 17:35:23 EDT Re: 768kbps $10 DSL versus 768kbps $20 Naked DSL http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19738466 joako : Just be glad you aren't in Embarq-land... I saw a billboard yesterday that read "Your DSL rate will never change. No ifs ands or buts about it"
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Can the other at&t regions get this kind of downstream throughput with their 6.0 plans as compared to customers in the at&t Southeast region?

If they can't then they are not getting the same speeds as us for less money.

What does a static IP address cost them as compared to at&t Southeast with a free static IP address on 3.0 or 6.0 plans, $14.99 on lesser plans?

Do customers in the other at&t regions get their full throughput speeds like we do if we are provisioned with MaxSync? In the at&t Southeast region, if provisioned with MaxSync and barring poor line conditions, if you have 768/128 you get 768/128, if you have 1.5/256 you get 1.5/256, if you have 3.0/384 you get 3.0/384, if you have 6.0/512 you get higher then 6.0 and 512 minus overhead(425-446, avg.= 434).

You got me on the upstream bandwidth.

at&t Southeast has the best forum and the best FAQs out of the other at&t forums not counting at&t Direct.

Refer to picture labeled "FastAccess DSL Speed Test". I wonder what would have happened if the new at&t would not have bought BellSouth because their greedy ass wanted all of Cingular? It looks to me that BellSouth left us some room to grow to 7.1 Mbps/768 Kbps with an unshaped 8128 Kbps/896 Kbps synch-rate.

BellSouth had been increasing the number of their FastAccess DSL plans while at the same time lowering the prices on these plans. They also had been increasing the throughput on these plans with MaxSync and over provisioning the synch-rate on the non MaxSync provisioned Xtreme 3.0 plan from 3008/384 to 3552/384 to give their customers full throughput and might have continued this on the other plans or might have switched everything to MaxSync provisioning.

BellSouth had a lot of fiber in their network and great tech support at the Help Desk, in the field, and among their operations people although their DNS and E-mail people might not have been the sharpest knife in the drawer they at least tried their hardest to make it right.

BellSouth had a timid CEO, even though he seemed to be a nice enough fellow, if there would have been a little more hunt in that dog then BellSouth would have been buying SBC and not the other way around.

How many times did I see this headline "BellSouth Ranks Highest In Customer Satisfaction"? I don't really remember how many times but it was a bunch.

I will give the old BellSouth CEO one thing and that is he seemed to run a tight ship and seemed to like to do things The Bell System way, you know The Bell System way from the real AT&T. People can say all the bad things they want about the real American Telephone and Telegraph Company but they did not do things half-assed and they innovated.

With the real AT&T America had the #1 telecommunications systems in the World and it was the envy of the whole World. Now we are ranked what? Something like #15.

The real AT&T's Bell Labs scientists have received six Nobel Prizes in Physics, nine U.S. Medals of Science and six U.S. Medals of Technology. What will the new at&t do.

The loss of Bell Labs is probably one of the greatest setbacks, it was probably a tragedy, that America has had in generations.

In what ways does America innovate today?

We make some of the best military weapons.

We come up with exciting new ways to order Happy Meals from the drive-thru at McDonalds.

We come up with lots of new ways to bic*h, moan, and gripe as evidenced by more then half of my reply.

Edit: Sorry about the fact that some of this is a rant.

If at&t lowers at&t Southeast prices will they also take away our speeds and free static IP address and will at&t Southeast customers complain?

If at&t lowers at&t Southeast prices and does not take away our speeds and static IP address will the customers in the other at&t regions complain?

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said by morbo See Profile :

said by Mactron See Profile :

You expected prices to go down ?!!
Naive aren't we... ;)
ordinarily i would agree with you, BUT i believe there were comments made justifying the price/speed disparity as "give it time for them to merge their billing and tech standards. it's only been 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11 months.
And whats your point? They still havent been merged. Id like to see if you can run a Fortune 500 company any better. You dont just rush off and make changes overnight.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19716272 Mon, 31 Dec 2007 20:58:30 EDT Re: 768kbps $10 DSL versus 768kbps $20 Naked DSL http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19716234 Doctor Olds :
said by joako See Profile :

The $10 deal is only for new customers. If you used to have DSL on that phone line and canceled it you are not eligible. And this price is for when you sign a 1-year contract, the standard FastAccess DSL pricing is with no term commitment and no activation fees.

$20 per month is the normal price for 786kbps in Bellsouth land. They are offering naked 786kbps DSL for the same exact price. In the past when they offered naked DSL in some areas where required by law the pricing was more expensive than line-share DSL. Comcast and other cable companies also charge more for their high-speed internet services when you do not purchase their cable television services.

Yes I know the pricing in Bellsouth-land is higher than in other regions. I'm sure that will be changing within the next year. Do keep in mind the pricing is based on a certain pricing model. Many factors such as population densities, regional bandwidth costs, local labor costs, unions, etc all play a part in the pricing. Yes they can just arbitrarily lower the prices but that doesn't fly with the bean counters. AT&T didn't raise your rates either. You aren't necessarily "entitled" to receive any particular rates (or discounts thereof). Comcast does the same with dissimilar pricing in different markets.
Factually speaking it costs way much more to live on the West Coast than on the East Coast (also higher COL in the North East and South West US) and yet the pricing for DSL is lower on the West Coast, lower in the North East and also lower in the South West US Regions including non-SBC, non-Bellsouth territories. Since outside plant costs for maintenance also costs more in areas with higher costs of living, it sure is clear that DSL is less expensive to deliver than Bellsouth's pricing leads one to believe. Guess what that really means. Bellsouth has been gouging it's customer base for many, many Years and they did this far longer than the short time span that they have offered DSL to customers. That is the bottom line. Bellsouth inflated the price not based on anything other than they knew they could do as they please which is how all Monopolies work.
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$20 per month is the normal price for 786kbps in Bellsouth land. They are offering naked 786kbps DSL for the same exact price. In the past when they offered naked DSL in some areas where required by law the pricing was more expensive than line-share DSL. Comcast and other cable companies also charge more for their high-speed internet services when you do not purchase their cable television services.

Yes I know the pricing in Bellsouth-land is higher than in other regions. I'm sure that will be changing within the next year. Do keep in mind the pricing is based on a certain pricing model. Many factors such as population densities, regional bandwidth costs, local labor costs, unions, etc all play a part in the pricing. Yes they can just arbitrarily lower the prices but that doesn't fly with the bean counters. AT&T didn't raise your rates either. You aren't necessarily "entitled" to receive any particular rates (or discounts thereof). Comcast does the same with dissimilar pricing in different markets.
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said by joako See Profile :

You fail to mention the $20 price for 786kbps DSL is the normal price. I think it's a good deal. Keep in mind the cost of outside wire maintenance is mainly calculated into the phone line price.
Negative. It is not the Normal Price for Naked DSL as they have never that before. However, your confusion is likely from their $20.00 normal Bellsouth areas higher than anyone else "line sharing" price which they are thankfully being forced to sell at $10.00 instead in order to get their merge on......with SBC to become AT&T (again :huh: :uhh:).
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I went to the golf course recently, They have a bundle with a Cart for 50 dollars per person for 18, There was no walking price listed on the sign, Oddly enough they dont advertise there cheaper products as much there expensive packages. Everyone does it... To walk 18 holes was 19 bucks]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19713883 Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:56:30 EDT Re: 768kbps $10 DSL versus 768kbps $20 Naked DSL http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19713822 morbo : lying to the public and its customers to get more money is interesting!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19713822 Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:46:53 EDT Re: 768kbps $10 DSL versus 768kbps $20 Naked DSL http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19713774 Zerny :
said by morbo See Profile :

it's difficult for them to resist easy money!
LOL, I have yet to see a successful business that doesnt love money. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19713774 Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:39:52 EDT Re: 768kbps $10 DSL versus 768kbps $20 Naked DSL http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19712794 morbo :
said by Mactron See Profile :

You expected prices to go down ?!!
Naive aren't we... ;)
ordinarily i would agree with you, BUT i believe there were comments made justifying the price/speed disparity as "give it time for them to merge their billing and tech standards. it's only been 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11 months.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19712794 Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:28:31 EDT Re: 768kbps $10 DSL versus 768kbps $20 Naked DSL http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19712772 Mactron :
said by Doctor Olds See Profile :

Former Bellsouth States are still overcharging their DSL users compared to the old SBC areas that have much lower rates for the same DSL speeds.
You expected prices to go down ?!!
Naive aren't we... ;)
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Former Bellsouth States are still overcharging their DSL users compared to the old SBC areas that have much lower rates for the same DSL speeds.
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