Wills
join:2001-01-03
Port Charlotte, FL
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Re: Pyrrhic Defeat
Like I said, go after the companies that are the end of the money train.
Aside from phising, most spam is trying to sell you a product. Some company is benefitting from that and is the root cause of that.
THESE are the people we should be levying multimillion dollar fines and jail time at. Not people like Ralsky. Stop the companies doing this and there is no need for people like Ralsky.
Kill the head and the body dies.
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
 ·Comcast
| said by Wills  :Like I said, go after the companies that are the end of the money train. Perhaps I am not understanding you. Are you suggesting that companies which make commercially available anti-spam solutions are part of the problem? Granted... I might need more coffee.
said by Wills :THESE are the people we should be levying multimillion dollar fines and jail time at. Not people like Ralsky. Stop the companies doing this and there is no need for people like Ralsky. Ralsky runs a huge business that makes its money by sending spam. He deserves to be taken down.
said by Wills :Kill the head and the body dies. Unfortunately, even if Ralksy is convicted and imprisoned, other spammers will quickly fill the void. I still believe that the volume of spam continues to increase because more people buy products and services that are spamvertised. Until everyone stops buying such products and services, we will never see an appreciable decrease in spam.
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N10Cities
SILENCE I Keel You
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join:2002-05-07
Roland, OK
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1 edit | Wills is saying go after the makers of the product that the spam is ADVERTISING.... |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
| said by N10Cities :Wills is saying go after the makers of the product that the spam is ADVERTISING.... I told you I need more coffee!
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jvanbrecht
join:2007-01-08
Bowie, MD
| reply to Wills
You appear to have some understanding of how spam works, but are incorrect in the assumption that it is all the fault of the products being advertised.
Here is the issue. Most companies offer an affiliate program, where by you sell the product, or get a user to connect to the products site (I am not talking advertising clickthru sites, more like, to use your example, www.symantec.com/blah/affiliate_id=34235 where the user with id 34235 gets a small chunk of change everytime someone clicks it and even more when a user purchases the product). Of course, this assumes that they (spammers/nefarious affiliate user) are selling legal versions, and not chinese fakes of the same product, which most spam does.
Now these affiliate programs are fine, if they are run correctly. In the past, atleast at UUNET (prior to MCI and Verizons involvement), we took down the spammer (if it originated from a UUNET pop, or notified the downstream customers if it was one of their users, if they do not respond, after numerous notifications and a discussion with UUNETs legal dep, that customer would have its line shut down, and yes, we did do it, even though it took a while sometimes). Additionally, we would go after the content of the email, sites advertised etc, and shut those down as well.
With regards to affiliate type deals, we notified the provider of that affiliate service (sometimes the vendor itself, sometimes third parties), and under ideal situations, they cancel that affiliates account and with hold any payments due to them. That worked great with larger companies, not so much with smaller ones who went from ISP to ISP after their accounts got canceled.
Basically, what it comes down to, the majority of spam now days seems to be hocking illegal pharmaceuticals, pirated software, fake products and porn. Now with porn, they actually do cancel affiliate accounts quickly for fear of losing their own access, which has happened, for the others, its illegal content in the first place, and going after Symantec for their spammed Norton AV which is probably a knock off in the first place will not resoilve the problem.
Spam is a complex problem, there is no simple solution... when you come up with a viable one, you will be rich, until then, just suck it up and do your part. |
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moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD | reply to Wills
I have been saying the same thing for years. |
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N3OGH
Bear patrol must be working like a charm
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join:2003-11-11
Philly burbs
 ·Verizon FIOS
 ·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to pnh102
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taken from an actual piece of spam I got. They're definitely targeting the wrong guy. I have about an hour of morning wood a day, but I digress 
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
| said by N3OGH :There, now I bet you HAVE to buy a cup of coffee! We get free viagra coffee at work!
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Noah Vail
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join:2004-12-10
Lorton, VA
·RoadRunner Cable
| But I don't drink coffee!
AND I have 5 children.
I'm so confused. I need a hug.
Maybe not from my trophy wife, that'd just be like more coffee, or... No wait.
crap.
never mind.
NV
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