NYCFranchise
@mindspring.com
| NYC Franchise back in the News
According to Virginia P. Ruesterholz President Verizon Telecom, the NYC franchise agreement is in negotiations still. We haven't heard alot regarding the franchise agreement yet for New York City.
»money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/art···5402.htm
FIOS has to come for NYC one day no matter what anyone says. It is the future after all in the evolution of communications. And Time Warner also has to upgrade to Docsis 3.0 which also is the future of the cablemodem plant. |
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FIOSNYC
@mindspring.com
| They now say officially franchise agreement will be had for 2008 which I belive will indeed happen for NYC.
Staten Island is going to be the 1st wired borough and deployment for FIOS has never stopped over there. That has always been IMHO a key benchmark for Verizon NYC.
Ok so after Staten Island, we have Queens, Brooklyn, Bronx and Manhattan which need to be wired further and it will.
Will be interesting to see which are the next FIOS NYC markets to get wired for FIOS.
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KCrimson
Premium
join:2001-02-25
Brooklyn, NY
 ·Optimum Online
 ·Verizon FIOS
| The franchise agreement is a separate issue from wiring neighborhoods. Staten Island has had FiOS deployment for a few years, parts of Queens were also wired over the last few years, I've had FiOS for a few months in Brooklyn, and more neighborhoods are being wired currently. The issue is a franchise agreement. We still don't have TV in the already-deployed areas because the politicians are "acting in our interests". Somehow those interests always end up benefiting someone else, but they're acting in my interest.  |
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UofMiamiGrad
Premium
join:2001-02-03
Great Neck, NY
| said by KCrimson  :The franchise agreement is a separate issue from wiring neighborhoods. Staten Island has had FiOS deployment for a few years, parts of Queens were also wired over the last few years, I've had FiOS for a few months in Brooklyn, and more neighborhoods are being wired currently. The issue is a franchise agreement. We still don't have TV in the already-deployed areas because the politicians are "acting in our interests". Somehow those interests always end up benefiting someone else, but they're acting in my interest. Part of the problem as well, is the 5 year buildout requirement, that Verizon will have to agree to once an agreement is done. I am sure they are wiring all the areas in NYC as fast as possible so once an agreement is done, they will be able to do it all in 5 years. They only recently started in Brooklyn compared to the other boroughs. I am sure around mid-2008 a TV Franchise Agreement will be done & awaiting City Council approval. |
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jammmin
join:2000-12-14
Upper Marlboro, MD
| The 5 year buildout requirement is highly unreasonable.
I have never seen such a stringent buildout requirement for such a big city. In PG County where I live in Maryland, Verizon has up to 9 years to wire some areas(especially rural areas.)
NYC has literally thousands upon thousands of MDU's that it will need to wire. Wiring MDU's and running fiber underneath the streets on Manhanttan will not be easy task for Verizon. Remember almost all wiring is underground in Manhattan.
The people of NYC needs a choice in TV. As the poster said, the politicians are doing a disserve to the citizens of NYC by holding up the franchise agreement. |
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figure 8
join:2004-09-10 | reply to KCrimson
Brooklyn's FIOS program has been put on the "back burner" for now. The full tilt rollout, supposedly starting this month, has come to a grinding stop. |
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KCrimson
Premium
join:2001-02-25
Brooklyn, NY | Where, how and when did you learn that? I just saw some FiOS fiber installers working with a cherry-picker on a street around E. 18 & Ave. S just yesterday. |
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figure 8
join:2004-09-10
| Neighborhoods that received Fios last year will still be worked on (Ave i, Ave r),but no new areas will be started.Could be their waiting for the tv rights OR waiting to see whats going to happen with the Unions contract negotiations that ends this coming august!!!. |
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ForestHills
@mindspring.com
| While Verizon could stop and restart at will certain areas, the overall trend is that they should be building out more MDU as the article points out.
Any news on Forest Hills, NY in Queens? I saw VZ doing work in the area but as to what went on I don't know specifically. |
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KCrimson
Premium
join:2001-02-25
Brooklyn, NY
·Optimum Online
·Verizon FIOS
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said by jammmin :The 5 year buildout requirement is highly unreasonable. I have never seen such a stringent buildout requirement for such a big city. In PG County where I live in Maryland, Verizon has up to 9 years to wire some areas(especially rural areas.) NYC has literally thousands upon thousands of MDU's that it will need to wire. Wiring MDU's and running fiber underneath the streets on Manhanttan will not be easy task for Verizon. Remember almost all wiring is underground in Manhattan. The people of NYC needs a choice in TV. As the poster said, the politicians are doing a disserve to the citizens of NYC by holding up the franchise agreement. I was thinking the same thing, it sounds like an unreasonably short amount of time from start to finish. Cablevision and Time Warner weren't finished deploying their hybrid fiber-coax plants (which only required an upgrade of the existing coax plant) for at least 5 or 6 years, and that didn't require the "to the home" leg of Verizon's installs. I know I had Optimum Online installed in around November of 2000, and there were parts of Bensonhurst and Dyker Heights that were waiting several years for the same service.
I also retain bitter memories of the YEARS UPON YEARS that it took the city to approve the initial cable TV franchises to the outter boroughs. When you look at the results of those protracted negotiations you can only shake your head and pray that it doesn't' happen again. I'd vote for Bloomberg for president if he can pull off this negotiation without the same shenanigans we witnessed back then. |
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pL86
@rr.com
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Thanks for the link the CNN story but unfortunately, there's nothing new. It seems that every couple months, Verizon makes some noise to the press that FIOS deployment is imminent in NYC but then nothing is heard of. Here's a link to the last time Verizon waved the banner:
»gizmodo.com/gadgets/fat-pipes/ne···1154.php
This was almost two months ago from Gizmodo, which rather amusingly claimed it had the "scoop" that a Manhattan FIOS announced should be expected in the "not too distant" future. I've given up waiting for anything soon. And although Verizon obviously likes to spin it that the main hurdle to FIOS deployment is city bureaucracy, at least in Manhattan, I think Verizon is still grappling with how to deploy to apartment buildings.
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
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said by KCrimson :I also retain bitter memories of the YEARS UPON YEARS that it took the city to approve the initial cable TV franchises to the outter boroughs. When you look at the results of those protracted negotiations you can only shake your head and pray that it doesn't' happen again. I'd vote for Bloomberg for president if he can pull off this negotiation without the same shenanigans we witnessed back then. Those arguments were over balancing rich vs poor areas in each Cable Companies proposed areas. Investors wouldn't give money unless they know that the cable company won't be wiring JUST Johannesburg or Bogota, since those areas will never make money.
Disclaimer: Bogota has HFC plant, highest tier is 50MB a month, and 500kbit down, lol, unless you go business, then you get 1 GB and 2mbit down, I blindly assume coverage is pathetic, I dont know spanish BTW »www.tvcable.com/productos/cablenet.asp . As of 2001, there is no Cable TV in South Africa »www.sadiba.co.za/pages/home/sa_status.html but alot of google pages seem to advertise no name cable TV is available at certain residences/hotels/communities, I guess its actually Satellite TV on a intra-building distribution system.
Cablevision took a risk and proposed to get all Bronx in exchange for all of Brooklyn, NYC govt said not so fast, and never let Cablevision retract its offer, and a chunk of good Brooklyn got given to what now is TWC. Notice Cablevision has/had the worst non-Manhatten ghettos in NYC, Bronx and Bed Sty (and surrounding areas). Do a search through NY Times archives for more drama of CATV in the outer boroughs during 60s/70s/80s.
In the 1980s/70s, you must have been insane to touch Bronx (Arson, Crime, abandoned buildings/lots, the projects, gangs, no economy, worst white flight rate (I think), vandalism/theft of Cable TV service/plant, robbery of CATV employees). I would say it would be as rational as wiring Baghdad today (no evidence of a phone company or Cable TV in Iraq). CATV operators are not a charity, they are not funded by Govt, so they need to pick areas that are profitable, initially atleast.
Also, the NY times archives say that certain boroughs got wired alot faster than others, Queens was like 80% while Bronx was 40%, Queens was done by late 1980s, Bronx early 90s (off top of my head, check archives for details). I wonder why........ *looks at FIOS deployment speed*
Comparing CATV build outs decades ago to FIOS today I think is very appropriate, FIOS is basically a very high end Cable TV system, and it competes with Cable TV, and to the user/customer, there is no significant difference except in details and quality, and also people switch back to Cable TV for cheapness or lack of need for the better details and quality from FIOS, so its a excellent competitor, not another world. I say FIOS is evolutionary, not revolutionary. This is revolutionary »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra_High···on_Video . FIOS is not. Fiber allows you to one day do something revolutionary, but Verizon has no plans, and neither does industry, or standards bodies, to do anything revolutionary.
Anyway, back to NYC FIOS. My guess is that NYC wants equal availability (% wise) in each borough and VZ must maintain equal availability (% wise) while it does its build out, im sure where will be a small margin. There might be also a city wide MDU availability %, smaller than general (usually private house) availability, so it isn't just private houses that have it. It would be unrealistic, and possibly bring up extreme tension if race guidelines/affirmative action was required by VZ, courts today would probably strike it down, integration doesn't seem to be a hot topic anymore for SCOTUS, so the private house ghetto will be wired last (except for MDUs in the ghetto, those are evaluated 1 by 1, and remember there is no way Verizon can force, or will force if it legally could, a slumlord to have FIOS in his building (nothing like used toilet water dripping on a ONT), it would be a very bad business move in my opinion).
Having a minimum percentage per Community District would fail also, since Community Districts don't/may not follow Central Office boundaries, and VZ doesn't want to be working on every Central Office in the land at the same time. Ive read on this forum that VZ has a Central Office by Central Office policy. VZ will claim technical impossibility if they were forced to wire each Community District partially.
A new construction rule would be surprising, but knowing Bloomberg and his pro-developer stance, I wouldn't be surprised at all if NYC Building code suddenly requires FIOS or FIOS right of way in all new/newly renovated/future MDUs. |
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FIOSisComing
@mindspring.com
| reply to pL86
FIOS is coming for NYC. It has to in order to stay competitive.
Remember, Verizon has been deploying FIOS and FIOS TV readily in the United States for awhile now. I remember the day that FIOS was first deployed for the first time in Long Island.
Verizon has literally covered a huge array of areas in New York as a whole. They are still building out every day as we speak to new homes or markets.
NYC deployment for MDU has just begun and its a slow but steady process with new technological improvements being made:
Eastchester Heights Apartment Complex
The Crest Lofts on Wall Street (Rental Apartments)
Trump Park Avenue (502 Park Ave.)
Trump World Tower at United Nations Plaza (845 United Nations Plaza)
University District in Buffalo
You need to start somewhere. Verizon has capex allocated to FIOS for its budget, and each year MORE homes/MDUs are being passed.
Verizon is finishing more and more suburbs up and soon the only thing left will be the inner cities like New York City.
I agree in that I think more FIOS NYC work will be done by Mid 2008 to 2009. Staten Island is still seeing a TON of FIOS work and its Jan 2008 now. Staten Island is the benchmark and has been for awhile. Verizon will NEVER skip Manhattan or the wealthier areas of NYC. It can NOT afford to. |
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SD6
join:2005-03-26
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The 5 year buildout requirement applies to all CATV franchises in the state. It does not require that everyone be wired w/in 5 years (there are 6 or 7 exceptions); it merely prohibits VZ from denying service based only on the address. Whether it is unreasonable when applied to NYC, I am not sure and perhaps Bloomberg will Petition for a waiver or something, but I think 9 yrs in PG county was a disservice to the people who live there. |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| said by SD6 :The 5 year buildout requirement applies to all CATV franchises in the state. It does not require that everyone be wired w/in 5 years (there are 6 or 7 exceptions); it merely prohibits VZ from denying service based only on the address. Can you find a quote/source on that? I need it for a friend who got a $20K for TWC to build 15 poles to your house estimate. |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
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said by jammmin : Remember almost all wiring is underground in Manhattan. All wiring is, not almost. »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Blizzard_of_1888 guaranteed it, after that »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empire_City_Subway was created by NYC govt. |
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nycdave
Premium,MVM
join:1999-11-16
Melville, NY
·Verizon FIOS
| Well, if you want to be exact - there are a few poles in Manhattan with telephone cables on them. 79th St. Boat Basin and the Dyckman St. boat basin in upper Manhattan have poles....I have worked at the 79th St. Boat Basin, and it is not a fun place to install/fix copper cable.... |
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FHFios
@mindspring.com | Around here in Forest Hills, NY its a combo of aboveground AND belowground deployment.
Will be interesting to see what VZ does since a flood of new development is coming in over here. |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| said by FHFios :
Around here in Forest Hills, NY its a combo of aboveground AND belowground deployment.
Will be interesting to see what VZ does since a flood of new development is coming in over here.
What development? There is no deployment, except for maybe 1 or 2 apt buildings which were done under contract, and Verizon can wire a MDU with FIOS anywhere it wants, even if its not the local phone company, since "Verizon Avenue"/"OnePoint Communications" was a separate company at one point the competed with ILECs/Cable Companies with exclusivity contracts for MDUs. |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| reply to nycdave
said by nycdave :Well, if you want to be exact - there are a few poles in Manhattan with telephone cables on them. 79th St. Boat Basin and the Dyckman St. boat basin in upper Manhattan have poles....I have worked at the 79th St. Boat Basin, and it is not a fun place to install/fix copper cable.... Thats either the park or private property. I dont think the utility laws prevent you from putting a pole on your own property, or make a special arrangement with a utility company to do so. |
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