acid343211
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join:2001-08-31
Byron, GA
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Re: 2/17 & 6/12 - All DIGITAL TV Transition Discussions go here
said by The Q  :So everyone, how is the 6/12 DTV transition going? Any issues? I was getting CBS in my area, the picture was so clear on my LCD that i could tell if there was Dirt on the floor of Jeopardy!!
Now that channel disappeared and the picture sucks.  
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ecvogel
join:2001-01-02
Southfield, MI
| The day has come and passed and analog cable is still up. Are they really going to turn it off? and how soon?
Parents are upset they cannot watch and record a show anymore with the dvd burner. The only option through comcast is another box for $2/mn or $16/mn for HD DVR (They only subscribe now to digital starter promotion without HD and will not pay for HD.) I am in S.E. Michigan. Friend in Atlanta still can get $10/mn standard def DVR. Seems comcast likes ripping people off. with the $2 option parents still need to set 2 devices or get a dvd recorder with a blaster. So the costs are not the same, it will cost you more. Once fall starts I will have to pay for a second box for my MCE so I can rec 2 shows at once. So we are getting reduced service for more money.
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bicker
join:2007-05-10
Burlington, MA
| The "day" had nothing to do with analog cable. Analog cable shall continue, at least for broadcast channels, by law, at least through 2012. And with regard to cable networks, they have been able to switch to digital for years now, but aren't required to (ever), and will likely do so on their own schedule, not with regard to any specific date.
Pricing has always been local, since cable regulation is local. That's not going to change until every state in the country starts issuing state-wide franchises.
With regard to pricing, if the pricing is not advantageous for you, then your best bet is to cancel your subscription and do without cable. If enough people do that, it sends a very powerful message to service providers. Paying for the service effectively ratifies the value that the service provider reflects in the pricing for their offerings. |
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Agent 86
@comcast.net | reply to sansri88
The "2012 myth" lives on. No law requires cable companies to carry any analog channels. Some have been 100% digital (really 100%, not just expanded basic) for some time. |
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disturbeddan
join:2005-10-19
Oak Lawn, IL | reply to sansri88
Annoyed. Comcast cable box has been screwy since this conversion stuff. So basically can't really watch anything since half the channels are all broken up. I assume most of these issues will be cleared by monday. |
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acid343211
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join:2001-08-31
Byron, GA
| said by disturbeddan :. I assume most of these issues will be cleared by monday. I hope this will be the issue with me also i used to get Digital since 6/12/09 nothing i did the rescan 6 times nothing, or i will do some bitching come monday.
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Chaldo
join:2008-03-18
West Bloomfield, MI
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I am really confused guys, I have Comcast Digital cable preferred on my plan I have 4 tv's 2 of them are hooked to digital receivers i rented out. The other 2 are hooked straight to the back of the tv no boxes (analog signal). Now they have started to deploy DTA's in my area but what all the comcast employees where telling me is june 12 channels 30+ where gonna be gone to digital. It is now june 14 and they are still there. I kept thinking there getting confused with the government mandated DTV thing. Now I called up and the lady said that Comcast has agreed to keep channels under 100 to analog for like another 3 years. I still think she is confused. HELP I NEED THE TRUTH? Is it COMING SOON?
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acid343211
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join:2001-08-31
Byron, GA
| said by Chaldo :what all the comcast employees where telling me is june 12 channels 30+ where gonna be gone to digital. It is now june 14 and they are still there. I kept thinking there getting confused with the government mandated DTV thing. I get Analog also Digital vs analog is like night and day.
i get 2 channels its Digital
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NSA_CIA
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said by Agent 86 :
The "2012 myth" lives on. No law requires cable companies to carry any analog channels. Some have been 100% digital (really 100%, not just expanded basic) for some time.
What are cable's current must carry obligations?
Federal law requires cable operators to carry the primary signal of broadcasters who elect to have their signal carried by cable systems in their primary coverage area. Cable's current “must carry” obligation pertains to the primary analog signal, but it will switch to the broadcasters' primary digital signal after the transition. However, as part of an FCC agreement in September 2007, cable operators will carry both the digital and analog version of every "must-carry" broadcast television station until 2012.
It's called "Dual Must Carry". See here:
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bicker
join:2007-05-10
Burlington, MA
1 edit | reply to Agent 86
said by Agent 86 :
The "2012 myth" lives on. No law requires cable companies to carry any analog channels. Some have been 100% digital (really 100%, not just expanded basic) for some time. Which ones?
(I believe that you're mistaken, by the way, if you think that Comcast in Detroit, Chicago or Boston is "all digital". My understanding is that they still provide the broadcast local channels via analog.) |
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bicker
join:2007-05-10
Burlington, MA
4 edits | reply to NSA_CIA
What what you're saying is essentially true, that link is misleading, though. This is from the FCC directly:DUAL MUST-CARRY: The FCC Rules
Under the FCC’s report and order, cable operators will be required from Feb. 18, 2009, to Feb. 17, 2012, to:
Carry a local broadcaster’s digital signal in analog and digital formats; or,
Carry the signal only in digital format, provided that all subscribers have the “necessary equipment” (digital set-top boxes) to view the broadcast content.
Carry the high-definition signal of broadcasters in high-definition format. So as you can see, the cable companies can put the broadcast (even "must-carry") local channels out as digital if they wish.
I believe Agent 86's error was saying that some service providers have already gone 100% digital beyond expanded basic. While they are allowed to do so, I do not know of any major LEGACY service providers that actually have done so. |
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Chaldo
join:2008-03-18
West Bloomfield, MI
1 edit | reply to sansri88
So will Comcast take my channels roughly 30+ to Digital soon? I am still confused. I live in the Metro Detroit area. They kept ratting june 12 june 12 to me and I didn't believe it. Look now my TV in my bedroom i am typing in with no box can still receive the expanded basic channels on analog.
Also its a old tv, its not the new ones with digital tuners etc. |
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disturbeddan
join:2005-10-19
Oak Lawn, IL | reply to sansri88
Two channels only seem to be working still(espnnews and wgn). The rest I get that "This channel will soon be available" Message. So it is getting quite ridiculous now. |
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Chaldo
join:2008-03-18
West Bloomfield, MI
| said by disturbeddan :Two channels only seem to be working still(espnnews and wgn). The rest I get that "This channel will soon be available" Message. So it is getting quite ridiculous now. I heard Comcast leave a message that they are working on something that happened regarding to that. |
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Agent 86
@comcast.net
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"I believe Agent 86's error was saying that some service providers have already gone 100% digital beyond expanded basic. While they are allowed to do so, I do not know of any major service providers that actually have done so."
Ever heard of Verizon? They were not just "allowed" to drop analog, the FCC required them to drop analog in exchange for regulatory relief re:cablecards. The FCC hates analog cable (don't ask me why, they just do). |
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big red
join:2009-05-11
Albany, GA
| reply to sansri88
I'm not in a comcast area but since comcast has done by far the most as far as going all digital, I figure this would be the best place to ask. I remember when you could have a channel of HBO or Showtime without digital cable and I want to know has comcast start doing this again since going all digital or if they have plans to do so in the future? |
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acid343211
Hallo lisa Aus Amerika
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join:2001-08-31
Byron, GA
| reply to sansri88
You still have that Analog crap in my area i confirmed this,
I did get Digital but that's gone or some mess. 
Scanning
DTV AIR 0
DTV CABLE 0-299
AIR 19
CABLE 23
DTV 0-117.1
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bicker
join:2007-05-10
Burlington, MA | reply to Agent 86
I'm sorry... I mistyped. I meant that I didn't know of a single, major LEGACY service provider that has dropped analog for local broadcast channels. My apologies. |
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Chaldo
join:2008-03-18
West Bloomfield, MI
4 edits | reply to big red
No, before digital cable came out they had in my area channel 5 (HBO) and channel 22 (cinamax) being sent as analog I guess with you having to order it. I know there was a couple ppv channels (75,76,77) that where encrypted but also being sent in analog.
To get channel 5 (hbo) and 22 (cinamax) you needed to order it. The way they blocked it was they put a filter outside the main box on your line to block them. EX. MAIN LINE>> FILTER>> YOUR LINE TO YOUR HOUSE. By removing the filter you could grab HBO and CINAMAX for basically free.
Now the PPV channels where encrypted/scrambled you had to order them, or they had the (black box) Which unencrypted/unscrambled the channels and displayed them to you. If they where not ordered/or no black box and you tried watching them, all you would see is a scrambled screen and you could barely get any picture, but you did hear the sound.
Now with digital tv, there must be a box activated via (MAC) in the system and it would have to talk back to comcast to view the channel. FAQ: Will there be such (blackbox) for this? A: I don't know, but I have a feeling something will happen. |
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Agent 86
@comcast.net
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"I'm sorry... I mistyped. I meant that I didn't know of a single, major LEGACY service provider that has dropped analog for local broadcast channels. My apologies."
How about RCN? Is that major enough and legacy enough to satisfy you?
Maybe you meant to say, "Except for all the cable providers that have gone all-digital, no cable provider has gone all-digital". We can agree on that. |
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