elvey
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join:2001-02-17
San Francisco, CA
 ·Pacific Bell - SBC
 ·Comcast
·SONIC.NET
2 edits | reply to supergirl
Re: Don't mess with my connection.
said by supergirl  :This isn't smart business policy. .... This sounds like a clear "interfering with interstate commerce" situation. Is AT&T just looking for an excuse by Congress to enact "network neutrality" legislation? Also, how does this affect their safe harbor status? If they have these filters and some bozo has illegal content on a homepage on AT&T, no DMCA takedown necessary just sue AT&T. The just took on the "policing role" so content on their network illegally is a lawsuit waiting to happen. Yeah, that's what I have been thinking. I mean either AT&T's counsel has been asleep at the wheel, or this retroactive immunity shit has made them think they can do absolutely whatever the f they want to support corporate friends (**AA, etc.), and get away with it.
THIS MUST NOT STAND!
Perhaps this will be the opening needed to bust 'em for their organized crime involvement. If they can (try to) keep file sharers off their network (even when its fair use, though admittedly that's not the norm) then certainly they can be expected to limit the actions of criminal abusers of their network when they are notified of or are aware of their blatant abuse.
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ackman
join:2000-10-04
Acworth, GA
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Re: Will it block NSA piracy of my privacy???
said by Homer J :Let's hope the day never comes that Hilary is elected to anything. You ever heard of an obscure little thing called "New York"?
Now, I'm not a Hillary fan, but I'm just curious to know what you find so bad about her. At least one thing I've discovered over the past decade is that most everything "evil" about Hillary was invented by the right wing attack dogs. I've got some issues with her husband's trade policies, so the Clintons are not beyond reproach. But please, tell me what she has done that makes it so horrible if she were to be "elected to anything". |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
Premium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK
·AT&T Yahoo
·AT&T DSL Service
·Cox HSI
·AT&T Southwest
| reply to Airwolf7
Re: Don't mess with my connection.
said by Airwolf7 :The first time this impacts my connection by slowing it down, increasing my latency, or keeps me from downloading legal content I'm gone. How will you know? |
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Trollhawk
join:2005-05-28 | reply to Homer J
Re: Will it block NSA piracy of my privacy???
Too late? |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH | reply to Airwolf7
Re: Don't mess with my connection.
Good luck on buying those T3s. Hope you have a few million in the bank to pay for them in the long run while you're getting started. |
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Anonymous_
Anonymous
Premium
join:2004-06-21
127.0.0.1
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1 edit | reply to Airwolf7
you can sue them you know
by sue them under
FCC fair access policy
if any thing were to be blocked |
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tad2020
join:2007-07-17
Orange, CA
·AT&T DSL Service
| reply to Mega DETH
If it touches my business connections at all, I'll pull all our services from AT&T, the DSL, T1 and phone service. I'm tired of their shit and unreliably. For that $3000/m, we could do better.
I'm a little pissed off cause I've been waiting for them to give me the binding post number for the new fax line that was supposedly installed mid December. |
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Homer J
Mmmm, Free Goo
join:2000-10-05
Springfield | reply to ackman
Re: Will it block NSA piracy of my privacy???
Let's hope the day never comes that Hilary is elected to anything. |
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ackman
join:2000-10-04
Acworth, GA | reply to ronpin
All the good muddy-boot Republicans will magically discover the illegal AT&T spying once Hillary is elected. In a heartbeat, protecting the US Constitution will become Republican job #1. |
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Airwolf7
Premium
join:2004-12-12
Franklin, KY | reply to djrobx
Re: Don't mess with my connection.
What djrobx said.
I will be taking my people with me too. If I get up the nerve to stick my neck on the chopping block I might even be taking them to my WISP. |
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Airwolf7
Premium
join:2004-12-12
Franklin, KY
·AT&T Southeast
| reply to TKJunkMail
Actually I won't be going anywhere because...
1. I do not steal sh*t.
2. It will not work for more than ten minutes before there is a workaround.
If it does screw up my connection I will just buy a couple of DS3 connections. I have been crunching numbers about starting up a WISP anyway to sell Internet access to two of our Industrial Parks and lots of my customers that live in the sticks and have no hope of anything but satellite. |
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djrobx
join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA
 ·PHONE POWER
 ·AT&T U-Verse
·AT&T CallVantage
·Time Warner VOIP
·RoadRunner Cable
2 edits | reply to Airwolf7
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The first time this impacts my connection by slowing it down, increasing my latency, or keeps me from downloading legal content I'm gone.
Yup. The service I'm looking for in an internet connection is a pure data pipe. If they start selectively filtering stuff, I not only will never use them, but I will even make sure I steer my corporate clients onto alternative ISPs.
I can deal with throttling/shaping for bandwidth management reasons, but not outright filtering. |
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
 ·Sprint Mobile Broa..
·Comcast
| reply to Airwolf7
said by Airwolf7 :The first time this impacts my connection by slowing it down, increasing my latency, or keeps me from downloading legal content I'm gone. Gone where? You think the other big providers won't do this if it works for AT&T?
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anonymousp
@rr.com
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Virus scanning servers that do this for companies add around 20ms of extra latency. So people web surfing probably wont notice a thing. Gamers wont be happy though. The problem is these fall apart when the files being scanned get into the GB range. Maybe they will have some smart way of doing it with a smaller set of information. |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | reply to ropeguru
I'd be staying on DSL-Extreme - no filters outside of port 25 (email) which can be removed.
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mdlthomas
join:2000-04-24
Clarksville, TN
| reply to MagMan
Considering they are a major part of the internet backbone, you aren't "going" anywhere. At some point or another, you are going to cross this network, and if they filter at their Peering routers, it won't matter who you "go" to...it can be stopped.. |
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NOCMan
Verizon Fios User
Premium
join:2004-09-30
Flower Mound, TX | reply to Airwolf7
Where are you going to go? This will apply to all traffic that crosses AT&T's network not just for their customers.
Just goes to show that telco's have too much control over networks with not enough oversight. |
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ropeguru
Premium
join:2001-01-25
Bridgeport, WV
clubs:
·VOIPo
| reply to MagMan
Question is, who do you go to?? I have AT&T and Comcast as my choices. One already filters P2P, and hinders other apps, and one is getting ready to. I am really not for government intervention in most things, but they are the ones that let them get this big so they need to control them too.
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swhx7
Premium
join:2006-07-23
Elbonia
·RoadRunner Cable
| reply to supergirl
I don't think they're going to try the things you mention - interfering with searches, purchases etc.. From what I've read in the articles about this, it seems they're going to inspect packets for the actual files.
To the grandparent poster's question, I wonder how it will affect connections. If they split the stream and inspect a copy while letting the original packets go thru, it would not slow things at all. If they are intecepting and literally filtering, it would be make the whole internet service sluggish. |
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MagMan
Life is simpler when you tell the truth.
Premium
join:2003-10-01
Westlake, OH
·AT&T Midwest
·AT&T Midwest
| reply to Mega DETH
said by Mega DETH :You got that right, I will be gone too said by Airwolf7 :The first time this impacts my connection by slowing it down, increasing my latency, or keeps me from downloading legal content I'm gone. X3 color me gone. 
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