Re: Network Solutions holding domains hostage? in Webmasters and Developers http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r19769270 en Wed, 09 Dec 2009 19:35:49 EDT Wed, 09 Dec 2009 19:35:49 EDT Re: Network Solutions holding domains hostage? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19789294 Bobcat : »whois.pairnic.com is safe to use.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19789294 Sat, 12 Jan 2008 20:47:59 EDT Re: Network Solutions holding domains hostage? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19785112 usa2k : Don't forget Internic -USA (Network Solutions, ...)
And ICANN -Austrailia I think?(like Godaddy, PowWeb, ...) means more than one agency to sort out ethical rules]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19785112 Fri, 11 Jan 2008 23:55:21 EDT Re: Network Solutions holding domains hostage? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19785037 newview :
said by landog :

ICAAN needs to provide a safe WHOIS haven.

I've suggested that DSLReports set up a Safe Domain Availability Search . . . »We need a Safe Domain Availability Search. I trust DSLR more than anyone else.

said by landog :

Network Solutions can rot in hell.

Agreed.
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I go to my hosting company and register the domain name. Not available? What? Check Network Solutions again - it says that it is available. Back to my hosting company's site (maybe I mistyped it?) - not available.

Recheck Network Solutions - it is available, but ONLY FROM THEM AT AN INFLATED PRICE. They now own my WHOIS search.

This is so wrong and unethical it is unbelievable.

There has to be an assurance that one's WHOIS search will not be abused in order to gouge the searcher. ICAAN needs to provide a safe WHOIS haven. They could make it part of their registrar's agreements - and they need to.

Network Solutions can rot in hell.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19784744 Fri, 11 Jan 2008 22:41:21 EDT Re: Network Solutions holding domains hostage? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19773696 usa2k :
said by Grouchoman :

Let's just give everyone their first choice for free...first come first served!.
First come first scammed ..... because you picked the most expensive!
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What did you expect from a free market system? Socialism? Let's just give everyone their first choice for free...first come first served!

Shoot the bastards at Network Solutions with a giant nerf gun.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19773634 Thu, 10 Jan 2008 09:38:50 EDT Re: Network Solutions holding domains hostage? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19772340 pokesph : checking my registrar service (enom) after that 'first' test returns:

Search Results:
bbrtestsnetworksolutions.com is not available. Make an offer on bbrtestsnetworksolutions.com at Afternic.com.

the nodaddy version:
Search Results:
bbrtesttesttestdaddy.com is not available. etc..

trying bbrimonlytestingthisname.com on enom...
Search Results:
bbrimonlytestingthisname.com is available.

will edit in a bit to see if it got grabbed by netsol, stand by.. (notsol said: Your Domain Name Search Results
Congratulations! The following domains are available
bbrimonlytestingthisname.com)

search on enom again: Search Results:
bbrimonlytestingthisname.com is not available. Make an offer on bbrimonlytestingthisname.com at Afternic.com.

something is VERY fishy here..

quote:
C:\Documents and Settings\PPN>whois bbrimonlytestingthisname.com

Whois Server Version 2.0

Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered
with many different competing registrars. Go to »www.internic.net
for detailed information.

Domain Name: BBRIMONLYTESTINGTHISNAME.COM
Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, LLC.
Whois Server: whois.networksolutions.com
Referral URL: »www.networksolutions.com
Name Server: NS1.RESERVEDDOMAINNAME.COM
Name Server: NS2.RESERVEDDOMAINNAME.COM
Status: clientHold
Updated Date: 09-jan-2008
Creation Date: 09-jan-2008
Expiration Date: 09-jan-2009

>>> Last update of whois database: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 04:57:32 UTC AboutUs: BBRIMONLY
TESTINGTHISNAME.COM

Registrant:
This Domain is available at NetworkSolutions.com
13681 Sunrise Valley Drive, Suite 300
HERNDON, VA 20171
US

Domain Name: BBRIMONLYTESTINGTHISNAME.COM

------------------------------------------------------------------------
This Domain is Available - Register it Now!
600,000 domain names are registered daily! Don't delay; there's no guarantee
that a domain name you see today will still be here tomorrow!
Register it Now at www.NetworkSolutions.com.
------------------------------------------------------------------------

Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
Network Solutions, LLC domainsupport@networksolutions.com
13681 Sunrise Valley Drive, Suite 300
HERNDON, VA 20171
US
1-888-642-9675 fax: 571-434-4620

Record expires on 09-Jan-2009.
Record created on 09-Jan-2008.
Database last updated on 9-Jan-2008 23:58:18 EST.

Domain servers in listed order:

ns1.reserveddomainname.com 205.178.190.55
ns2.reserveddomainname.com 205.178.189.55


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Use an "are you sure?" commit button!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19772268 Wed, 09 Jan 2008 23:39:33 EDT Re: Network Solutions holding domains hostage? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19771998 anon : Geez, I didn't know this had gotten this bad:
"In April 2006, out of 35 million registrations, only a little more than 2 million were permanent or actually purchased. By February 2007, the CEO of GoDaddy reported that of 55.1 million domain names registered, 51.5 million were canceled and refunded just before the 5 day grace period expired and only 3.6 million domain names were actually kept.
[1] Large domain tasters have, or have acquired, ICANN Registry status to reduce costs, automate, and facilitate their business." »www.saferwhois.com/blog.php

Used to be it took them awhile to reserve a domain, Apparently now they do within a few minutes. Dotster was strongly linked with this in the past, but there where suggestions that it just took advantage of the way NetSol was doing things. Looking at this now, it's evolved to the point that they reserve domains in a few minutes, something is seriously wrong with that. If NetSol really wanted to stop this they'd plug that loophole. ICANN should also eliminate the grace period, as it's obviously being severely abused.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19771998 Wed, 09 Jan 2008 22:55:59 EDT Re: Network Solutions holding domains hostage? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19771355 benyto :
said by Mospaw See Profile :

What a load of crap.
That essentially sums up Verisign in its entirety, in my opinion.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19771355 Wed, 09 Jan 2008 21:30:28 EDT Re: Network Solutions holding domains hostage? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19770950 usa2k : This is plain evil.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19770950 Wed, 09 Jan 2008 20:33:36 EDT Re: Network Solutions holding domains hostage? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19769966 Mospaw : What a load of crap.

They did responde according to this article: »www.circleid.com/posts/81082_net···running/

said by Jonathon Nevett, Vice President of Policy at Network Solutions :
... we have implemented a security measure to protect our customers. The measure will kick in when a customer searches for an available domain name at our website, but decides not to purchase the name immediately after conducting the search.

After the search ends, we will put the domain name on reserve. During this reservation period, the name is not active and we do not monetize the traffic on these domains. If a customer searches for the domain again during the next 4 days at networksolutions.com, the domain will be available to register.
I added the emphasis. If "a" customer, not the same one.

So in other words, he is admitting that they're sitting on these domains for 4 days to the exclusion of every other registrar. This benefits customers in NO WAY at all. If it was limited to the original customer who made the search, then maybe it could be justified a tiny bit. But this just limits where the customer can register the domain.

He further states:
quote:
You are correct that we are trying to take an arrow out of the quiver of the tasters. As you know, domain tasters are the largest Front Runners. [...] Some folks may not agree with our approach, but we are trying to prevent this malicious activity from impacting our customers.
Um yeah, so we're trying to stop others form doing this ... by doing it ourselves?

Network Solutions started sucking years ago, and they're expensive for no good reason. I do occasionally use their search service, but no more. This behavior is bad enough. The half-assed explanation is even worse.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19769966 Wed, 09 Jan 2008 17:55:09 EDT Re: Network Solutions holding domains hostage? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19769867 PToN : »networksolutionsisgay.com/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19769867 Wed, 09 Jan 2008 17:38:06 EDT Re: Network Solutions holding domains hostage? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19769600 Jafo232 : HA!

Now the pages are just blank.. No cannot resolve hostname, just a blank page.. Still resolving to something..

I wonder if all of this holding and dropping puts these names on "expired domain" lists?
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I thought domains were like $10 a year..]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19769494 Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:39:44 EDT Re: Network Solutions holding domains hostage? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19769328 ff1324 : More on this over at Slashdot (»slashdot.org/articles/08/01/08/1920215.shtml)

...with some damn funny comments.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19769328 Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:13:36 EDT Re: Network Solutions holding domains hostage? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19769322 Jafo232 : Yeah, I haven't seen them jack the price if it is searched, but I do see they put a hold on the domain.

There should be no hold on a domain unless it gets added to a basket, and then it should only be until the basket times out..
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said by Jafo232 See Profile :

OK, but it still says it is available (even though it shows it is not registered).. I am not sure what the gripe is? Is it the fact that snipers can somehow see what people are regging and grab it?
That would be one gripe.

Another more obvious problem is that you will now not be able to register the domain through a different registrar. Let's say a person wants to get a domain name and they head to NetSol because they've heard of them before. They search for their domain, find that it is available, then go through that horrific checkout process where NetSol tries to sell them every service they can cram on a web page. Finally the end is reached and the potential purchaser sees NetSol wants $35. Heck with that, they think. They'll find another registrar that charges single digit prices per year. Only now they can't register it because despite what NetSol's tools say, the domain really is no longer available. NetSol is holding it and it only can only be registered through them.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19769308 Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:10:10 EDT Re: Network Solutions holding domains hostage? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19769299 Jafo232 : LOL, now when you go to godaddy and do a whois on the domain I just searched, you get:

DONTREGISTERDOMAINSHERE.COM is already taken.

Now, is it just me, or is this an opening for an attack? Could not a bot army just swarm Netsols whois with requests, and slowly close all available names to Godaddy?

Umm, something isn't right here..
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I searched for it at GoDaddy. Said it was available and I could register it.

I searched for it at Network Solutions and got the same response.

I searched again at GoDaddy and it was "Unavailable" with no WHOIS information available (no response from the WHOIS server to GoDaddy's request).

All of this within 60 seconds.

I think it's two problems. 1) NetSol is locking up domains based on a search, not a purchase while other registrars are not doing that. 2) Front-Runners will be able to monitor for those types of holds and then squat on them.

Imagine if just searching the real estate ads kept anyone from buying a listed house for 5 days. Doesn't make much sense, does it. Sounds and smells like pure greed.

EDIT: Now visit »bbrtesttesttestdaddy.com and you won't even get a 404 anymore. You truly get a hijacked lookup.
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»bbrtestsnetworksolutions.com/

Is now up with their splash page.. I mean, you could put in a domain name like: netsolrapeslittlekids.com and in a minute, they have a site up for it..

From a business standpoint this is kinda stupid.. Example, look at what I just tried, and worked:

»dontregisterdomainshere.com

Now, Netsol has just allowed users to tag arbitrary data to their name, in a sense..
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»www.networksolutions.com/whois/r···ions.com]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19769169 Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:49:50 EDT Re: Network Solutions holding domains hostage? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19769153 Jafo232 : Ok, I will test it now with this domain:

bbrtestsnetworksolutions.com..

OK, so far so good, will post back in a minute and see if it is registered..
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said by ff1324 See Profile :

Pretty crappy if it's true.
Yes, but par for the course for Verisign.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19769131 Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:47:02 EDT Network Solutions holding domains hostage? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19769068 ff1324 : I searched around on DSLR for anything about this, but I haven't found it. I can't believe it hasn't hit here yet. It seems Network Solutions is putting a hold on searched domain names, and upping the price for that name for several days after it is searched.
»blog.domaintools.com/2008/01/net···nfirmed/

Pretty crappy if it's true.
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