Re: Don't mess with my connection. in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r19769463 en Fri, 04 Dec 2009 18:16:47 EDT Fri, 04 Dec 2009 18:16:47 EDT Re: Don't mess with my connection. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19784842 elvey :
said by supergirl See Profile :

This isn't smart business policy.
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This sounds like a clear "interfering with interstate commerce" situation. Is AT&T just looking for an excuse by Congress to enact "network neutrality" legislation?

Also, how does this affect their safe harbor status? If they have these filters and some bozo has illegal content on a homepage on AT&T, no DMCA takedown necessary just sue AT&T. The just took on the "policing role" so content on their network illegally is a lawsuit waiting to happen.
Yeah, that's what I have been thinking. I mean either AT&T's counsel has been asleep at the wheel, or this retroactive immunity shit has made them think they can do absolutely whatever the f they want to support corporate friends (**AA, etc.), and get away with it.
THIS MUST NOT STAND!
Perhaps this will be the opening needed to bust 'em for their organized crime involvement. If they can (try to) keep file sharers off their network (even when its fair use, though admittedly that's not the norm) then certainly they can be expected to limit the actions of criminal abusers of their network when they are notified of or are aware of their blatant abuse.
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said by Homer J See Profile :

Let's hope the day never comes that Hilary is elected to anything.
You ever heard of an obscure little thing called "New York"?

Now, I'm not a Hillary fan, but I'm just curious to know what you find so bad about her. At least one thing I've discovered over the past decade is that most everything "evil" about Hillary was invented by the right wing attack dogs. I've got some issues with her husband's trade policies, so the Clintons are not beyond reproach. But please, tell me what she has done that makes it so horrible if she were to be "elected to anything".]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19774761 Thu, 10 Jan 2008 13:08:29 EDT Re: Don't mess with my connection. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19772491 KrK :
said by Airwolf7 See Profile :

The first time this impacts my connection by slowing it down, increasing my latency, or keeps me from downloading legal content I'm gone.
How will you know?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19772491 Thu, 10 Jan 2008 00:30:21 EDT Re: Will it block NSA piracy of my privacy??? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19772394 Trollhawk : Too late?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19772394 Thu, 10 Jan 2008 00:03:29 EDT Re: Don't mess with my connection. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19770035 hottboiinnc : Good luck on buying those T3s. Hope you have a few million in the bank to pay for them in the long run while you're getting started.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19770035 Wed, 09 Jan 2008 18:09:14 EDT Re: Don't mess with my connection. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19769737 Anonymous_ : you can sue them you know

by sue them under

FCC fair access policy

if any thing were to be blocked]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19769737 Wed, 09 Jan 2008 17:16:13 EDT Re: Don't mess with my connection. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19769463 tad2020 : If it touches my business connections at all, I'll pull all our services from AT&T, the DSL, T1 and phone service. I'm tired of their shit and unreliably. For that $3000/m, we could do better.

$fontbg I'm a little pissed off cause I've been waiting for them to give me the binding post number for the new fax line that was supposedly installed mid December. $Fontbg]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19769463 Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:35:31 EDT Re: Will it block NSA piracy of my privacy??? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19768044 Homer J : Let's hope the day never comes that Hilary is elected to anything.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19768044 Wed, 09 Jan 2008 12:57:15 EDT Re: Will it block NSA piracy of my privacy??? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19767998 ackman : All the good muddy-boot Republicans will magically discover the illegal AT&T spying once Hillary is elected. In a heartbeat, protecting the US Constitution will become Republican job #1.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19767998 Wed, 09 Jan 2008 12:50:50 EDT Re: Don't mess with my connection. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19767979 Airwolf7 : What djrobx said.

I will be taking my people with me too. If I get up the nerve to stick my neck on the chopping block I might even be taking them to my WISP.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19767979 Wed, 09 Jan 2008 12:48:54 EDT Re: Don't mess with my connection. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19767937 Airwolf7 : Actually I won't be going anywhere because...

1. I do not steal sh*t.

2. It will not work for more than ten minutes before there is a workaround.

If it does screw up my connection I will just buy a couple of DS3 connections. I have been crunching numbers about starting up a WISP anyway to sell Internet access to two of our Industrial Parks and lots of my customers that live in the sticks and have no hope of anything but satellite.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19767937 Wed, 09 Jan 2008 12:43:31 EDT Re: Don't mess with my connection. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19767879 djrobx :
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The first time this impacts my connection by slowing it down, increasing my latency, or keeps me from downloading legal content I'm gone.


Yup. The service I'm looking for in an internet connection is a pure data pipe. If they start selectively filtering stuff, I not only will never use them, but I will even make sure I steer my corporate clients onto alternative ISPs.

I can deal with throttling/shaping for bandwidth management reasons, but not outright filtering.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19767879 Wed, 09 Jan 2008 12:34:46 EDT Re: Don't mess with my connection. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19767743 TKJunkMail :
said by Airwolf7 See Profile :

The first time this impacts my connection by slowing it down, increasing my latency, or keeps me from downloading legal content I'm gone.
Gone where? You think the other big providers won't do this if it works for AT&T?
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Just goes to show that telco's have too much control over networks with not enough oversight.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19767371 Wed, 09 Jan 2008 11:11:06 EDT Re: Don't mess with my connection. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19767338 ropeguru : Question is, who do you go to?? I have AT&T and Comcast as my choices. One already filters P2P, and hinders other apps, and one is getting ready to. I am really not for government intervention in most things, but they are the ones that let them get this big so they need to control them too.
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To the grandparent poster's question, I wonder how it will affect connections. If they split the stream and inspect a copy while letting the original packets go thru, it would not slow things at all. If they are intecepting and literally filtering, it would be make the whole internet service sluggish.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19767316 Wed, 09 Jan 2008 11:01:30 EDT Re: Don't mess with my connection. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19767294 MagMan :
said by Mega DETH See Profile :

You got that right, I will be gone too

said by Airwolf7 See Profile :

The first time this impacts my connection by slowing it down, increasing my latency, or keeps me from downloading legal content I'm gone.
X3 color me gone. :)
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said by Airwolf7 See Profile :

The first time this impacts my connection by slowing it down, increasing my latency, or keeps me from downloading legal content I'm gone.
This isn't smart business policy. If you Google something, say a movie, and when you click the results, you get redirected to AT&T's ad page for unresolved URLs? Google indexes everything possible. Some things might be questionable but not illegal but blocked anyway.

How about a website selling MP3s from Indie artists being blocked? Or, blocking Yahoo msr transfers? Blocking VOIP apps? Blocking used DVDs or CDs on Amazon or Ebay?

This sounds like a clear "interfering with interstate commerce" situation. Is AT&T just looking for an excuse by Congress to enact "network neutrality" legislation?

Also, how does this affect their safe harbor status? If they have these filters and some bozo has illegal content on a homepage on AT&T, no DMCA takedown necessary just sue AT&T. The just took on the "policing role" so content on their network illegally is a lawsuit waiting to happen.

It also sounds like Sprint's deal where they change the contract terms and now all contracts are cancelled.
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said by Airwolf7 See Profile :

The first time this impacts my connection by slowing it down, increasing my latency, or keeps me from downloading legal content I'm gone.

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