Phone jack Wires Question in TekSavvy http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r19770114 en Sat, 30 Aug 2008 11:53:28 EDT Sat, 30 Aug 2008 11:53:28 EDT Re: Phone jack Wires Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20536071 Bicephale : Really!

Please be my guest when you feel like it...

:)

Lucky you, it's less involving than some of the scenarios i imagined.

;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20536071 Sun, 25 May 2008 01:15:11 EDT Re: Phone jack Wires Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20535979 bryanviper :
said by Bicephale See Profile :

Great, then this case can be considered to be closed! I wish
you had tested your GNet under those conditions, though!...

;)
Haha I could test the Gnet but I dont think it would preform very well.
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you had tested your GNet under those conditions, though!...

;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20535613 Sat, 24 May 2008 22:52:06 EDT Re: Phone jack Wires Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20535185 netwerk : The RJ-11 in the NID is really a bad spot for corrosion. If you get some extra attenuation I would start there.
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Adding the 2nd filter did not really do anything
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20535026 Sat, 24 May 2008 19:57:57 EDT Re: Phone jack Wires Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20534930 Bicephale : Oups! Too late.

:huh:

Well, thanks anyway...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20534930 Sat, 24 May 2008 19:25:45 EDT Re: Phone jack Wires Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20534928 Bicephale : Hi,

I thought those would be more suitable in
a couple weeks... While you're at it, can you
please pay attention to possible corrosion
buildup?... Additionally, statistics with a 2nd
low-pass filter in there would be nice too!

:p]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20534928 Sat, 24 May 2008 19:24:36 EDT Re: Phone jack Wires Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20534922 bryanviper : Here they are just for you Bicephale! :D
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said by Bicephale See Profile :

BryanViper...

Have you taken a look at the Sears web site lately?...
hahaha FINE!!

I'll go take your freaking picture now then lol :P

i'll post shortly
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Have you taken a look at the Sears web site lately?...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20534549 Sat, 24 May 2008 17:46:40 EDT Re: Phone jack Wires Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20534440 Bicephale : I tried a search on their site for "DSL" and "Filter", no luck.

Too bad, they have two stores in Montreal...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20534440 Sat, 24 May 2008 17:18:13 EDT Re: Phone jack Wires Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20534321 GotDough :
said by Angelo_ See Profile :

i can't find those copper tip ends... i've been trying to buy these for over a year :/
Have you tried here?

»www.active-tech.ca]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20534321 Sat, 24 May 2008 16:45:02 EDT Re: Phone jack Wires Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20534246 Bicephale : So...

Is it still snowy in the Toronto area, BryanViper?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20534246 Sat, 24 May 2008 16:19:05 EDT Re: Phone jack Wires Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20470779 tertech :
said by minoe See Profile :

The demarcation point *is* the RJ11 jack in the outside chamber. The RJ11 plug that fits into it, goes to the terminal block below, which is connected to the inside wiring.
If there are issues that require a Bell tech to come out, they demark at the RJ11 jack. If the issue is upstream, it's their problem. Otherwise, it's your problem.
So if the Bell tech finds that you've hooked into their side of the demarc, you could be billed for the service time if your mods are found to be the source of the problem. He'll probably disconnect your wires, even if it's not the cause.

$40 or so for an external splitter seems a better solution to me :) ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20470779 Mon, 12 May 2008 16:09:58 EDT Re: Phone jack Wires Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20470735 minoe : The demarcation point *is* the RJ11 jack in the outside chamber. The RJ11 plug that fits into it, goes to the terminal block below, which is connected to the inside wiring.
If there are issues that require a Bell tech to come out, they demark at the RJ11 jack. If the issue is upstream, it's their problem. Otherwise, it's your problem. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20470735 Mon, 12 May 2008 16:02:04 EDT Re: Phone jack Wires Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20470723 bryanviper :
said by Bicephale See Profile :

Oh, and BryanViper... A Santa Clauss uniform
would be just as nice if you could! MouHa! Ha!

:D
Ohh ok, I was thinking of something a bit more Revealing ;) but whatever you like Bicephale
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said by dgmorr :

What program is that?


This is DMT, only works on some DSL Modems, in my case I have a SPeedTouch 516
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20470597 Mon, 12 May 2008 15:38:17 EDT Re: Phone jack Wires Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20466645 Bicephale : Quite right, TerTech... The demarcation point
is clearly physical in this case and there's
no confusion possible: the inside box is for
the phone company, they have a protection bloc
there and they can fit a filter bloc as well
(but they didn't in this case). The bloc which
we see in the secondary chamber, the one that
is opened on the photograph, well i don't know
what it's for other than to provide a plug one
can use to trouble-shoot. If that bloc where
a filter then there would be no DSL signal left
to deliver to the smaller box installed on top
of it... Me too i'd like my lantern to work,
can someone shead some light on this please?

:huh:

Oh, and BryanViper... A Santa Clauss uniform
would be just as nice if you could! MouHa! Ha!

:D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20466645 Sun, 11 May 2008 19:13:19 EDT Re: Phone jack Wires Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20466205 tertech : Correct me if I'm wrong somebody, but...

Isn't the demarcation in the NID on the right side of the box after the RJ11 plug? I don't think you're supposed to do any wiring inside the inner box.

Have you thought about an external DSL splitter? Take the wire after the NID ( 1 pair ) to the splitter, then bring 2 pair of the
UTP into the house. One is phone, one is DSL...

Also just for standards sake... Solid colour with white stripe = ring; goes to red or yellow. White wire with coloured stripe = tip; goes to green or black. Red/Green = 1st line Yel/Blk = 2nd line.
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said by Bicephale See Profile :

Euh...

So, have you found a nice swimsuit to wear for that photo shot?
haha ya I should probably take that picture for you lol Just that now im working full time so its hard.

But all you will see is a dsl filter forxed into the side of the demarc box :D lol
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So, have you found a nice swimsuit to wear for that photo shot?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20465854 Sun, 11 May 2008 15:32:40 EDT Re: Phone jack Wires Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20272457 vintagewino : Most of those crimps are copper with a tin coat. If you don't like the tin, use a fine file to remove it, but why bother?

You can find them at ElectroSonic, Sayal, Active, any automotive supply. Get the ones for 22-18 wire (red sleeve). Spade , hooked spade, loop: your choice. Demarc boxes are usually a #8-10 screw, the jack boxes #6. Make CERTAIN you crimp well. I CANNOT overstress this. Over the years, I've repaired more troubles due to poor crimps than I care to admit. Poor, oxidized, loose crimps WILL give you grief later like you wouldn't believe!

The best (and cheapest) is still strip the wire, wrap it under the washer, and screw it down quite firmly. If it's outside, use a bit of silicone vaporproofing to keep oxidation down.

Oh - if you strip the wire, and that copper isn't shiny, STOP. Get new wire. Tarnished wire has been compromised ...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20272457 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 19:53:46 EDT Re: Phone jack Wires Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20272326 Radar73 :
said by Angelo_ See Profile :

i can't find those copper tip ends... i've been trying to buy these for over a year :/
I'm sure Active Surplus on Queen Street would have them, they have everything ... if you're ever in Toronto.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20272326 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 19:32:43 EDT Re: Phone jack Wires Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20272209 Bicephale : As long as you don't need to hang around in your swimming suit!

:p]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20272209 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 19:10:36 EDT Re: Phone jack Wires Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20261737 bryanviper : lol ready.... not at all.

Still to cold/wet outside you got to wait a bit longer :P]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20261737 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 01:33:54 EDT Re: Phone jack Wires Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20261734 Bicephale : Ha!

There it is...

Are you ready?

:p]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20261734 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 01:32:18 EDT Re: Phone jack Wires Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19788236 TilhasBB : Internal wiring is the big mess. but that usualy effects SNR]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19788236 Sat, 12 Jan 2008 17:22:26 EDT Re: Phone jack Wires Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19787928 Angelo_ : thx :P, going to add that...

how about how fluke calculates it for the wires you run you them? (cat5e cat6...)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19787928 Sat, 12 Jan 2008 16:15:14 EDT Re: Phone jack Wires Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19787903 TilhasBB : »FAQ #2: DSL (Please don't add to it.... PM me to do so)

Q: How do I determine approximate distance?
A: You can only estimate it if you already have DSL as without it it's a guess. If you have DSL already, then add the two attenuation (up/down) together, then divide by 18.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19787903 Sat, 12 Jan 2008 16:09:51 EDT Re: Phone jack Wires Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19785694 Angelo_ : TlhasBB do you happen to know how to calculate disctance noise on the line?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19785694 Sat, 12 Jan 2008 03:21:43 EDT Re: Phone jack Wires Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19785668 Angelo_ : nop... cisco says to leave enough for a smooth round turns... but other sources say as long as its not a sharp turn that pulls on the cabling. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19785668 Sat, 12 Jan 2008 03:12:59 EDT Re: Phone jack Wires Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19785662 TilhasBB : True.

Do you know the exact radius of turn for cat5e and cat6?
I couldnt find it...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19785662 Sat, 12 Jan 2008 03:10:32 EDT Re: Phone jack Wires Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19785657 Angelo_ : well even cat5e 90 degree bends can ruin it... :P, with these networking cable you want extra wire for turns... and be very careful as even a small nic can make the cable useless]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19785657 Sat, 12 Jan 2008 03:09:36 EDT Re: Phone jack Wires Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19785649 TilhasBB : I see where your going at it but cat6 is not as forgiving when you bend it as cat5e.
90 Degree turns on Cat6 is a huge nono. So if your passing it in a tight corder and its bending 90 degrees your better off with cat5e.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19785649 Sat, 12 Jan 2008 03:05:48 EDT Re: Phone jack Wires Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19784969 bryanviper :
said by TilhasBB See Profile :

You guys really dont need CAT6... Cat5 is plenty.

ie:
You buy a new Blueray Dvd Recorder to copy your old Betamex tapes...

why?...lol
a VHS or a regular DVD Recorder will get the same out of it.

Your getting a copper phone wire from Bell...lol your cranking it up to Cat6....
It was an extra $2 for cat6 instead of Cat5e in my case. I thought why now since I can use the extra for my network if needed. Also for $2 more i'm more "future proof" so to say if I setup a Gigabit network or whatever the future may hold :)

Hell if Cat7 was cheaper I would of bought that :)
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that becuz i had to run a length of it outside if it would be better to get shielded(STP) cabling instead.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19784693 Fri, 11 Jan 2008 22:31:58 EDT Re: Phone jack Wires Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19784536 TilhasBB : You guys really dont need CAT6... Cat5 is plenty.

ie:
You buy a new Blueray Dvd Recorder to copy your old Betamex tapes...

why?...lol
a VHS or a regular DVD Recorder will get the same out of it.

Your getting a copper phone wire from Bell...lol your cranking it up to Cat6....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19784536 Fri, 11 Jan 2008 22:03:44 EDT Re: Phone jack Wires Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19784080 bryanviper : I used UDP and all is good.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19784080 Fri, 11 Jan 2008 20:38:33 EDT Re: Phone jack Wires Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19784075 anon : I been looking at doing this as well, Just wondering is worth it for me to get the Cat6UTP or search around for the Cat6STP
ill only need to run about ~13feet of the wire outside.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19784075 Fri, 11 Jan 2008 20:37:20 EDT Re: Phone jack Wires Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19784055 bryanviper : Thats how i hooked it up actually so my cat6 & bells wires are touching. Also bells wires are new fresh copper.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19784055 Fri, 11 Jan 2008 20:33:57 EDT Re: Phone jack Wires Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19783626 TilhasBB : Bryanviper
Great Job !
Hey I recognize that first picture :)

Nice Results !
keep it open for 24hours and lets see if it lowered the # of errors.

There is one other thing thou. I dont think you put the wires in there properly.

The correct way is to ...

At NID
1)remove the nut.
2)Strip Cat5/6 Cable. (make sure you dont cut the copper wire when you remove the plastic so lightly with the stripper or a knife make a line then pull it off so the plastic breaks not you cutting it touching the copper.
3) check bell wires end to see that its not rusted and its still has a nice copper look. if not strip that wire as well.
4) touch head to head bell and cat5/6 then coil them once around the screw then put the washer and nut and squeeze them but not too tight.
Note: the end should not loop back and touch an earlier exposed position or you will have a phase change.

Ilustrate better...lol
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19783626 Fri, 11 Jan 2008 19:25:33 EDT Re: Phone jack Wires Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19783367 Angelo_ : please also incloud where you buy them :), as i still never finished mine :P.

David knows how much money i've spent already doing this lol

it now became a hobby to get perfection]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19783367 Fri, 11 Jan 2008 18:40:11 EDT Re: Phone jack Wires Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19783026 bryanviper : well if the weather is decent tomorow I might hook up another filter just for you :P

Also while I was doing this I was going to try and hook up my Cat6 to the actual bell box on the poll which happens to be right beside my house. I also know which 2 pairs are mine so i could of done it, but it was getting cold and I wanted to finish :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19783026 Fri, 11 Jan 2008 17:51:37 EDT Re: Phone jack Wires Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19782989 Bicephale : Oh well, a couple dBs is still a gain!

:)

Although i'd love to see twin filter numbers even if it's temporary...

;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19782989 Fri, 11 Jan 2008 17:46:32 EDT Re: Phone jack Wires Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19781474 bryanviper : ya those bell boxs are way to small, I had to force the filter in there. & there is no way I can fit anotherone in there at least not the ones I got.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19781474 Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:45:17 EDT Re: Phone jack Wires Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19781139 Bicephale : Hi,

If you can't then so be it but distributed filters
only reduce parasitics beyond and not before them!

:huh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19781139 Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:53:37 EDT Re: Phone jack Wires Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19780755 bryanviper : lol i cant fit anymore. also I still have the filters on the phones :P

1 filter should be good enough...right? lol]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19780755 Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:47:10 EDT Re: Phone jack Wires Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19780745 Bicephale : What!?  Only one filter!...

Angelo!  Prepare an (in)sanity certificate!!!

:p]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19780745 Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:45:38 EDT Re: Phone jack Wires Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19780507 bryanviper : haha, you love posting all those old links :P

Actually at first I hooked it up and I was getting the same stats I always did with no difference. I think managed to squeeze a Filter into the box and my stats got Much better.

I'll have to eventually take a picture of the demarc box when I get a chance. :)
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It's not a matter of mental sanity at all.  You've
been making circles around that thing for a while:



My demarc????, BryanViper, 2004-Mar-6
My OLD Wiring, BryanViper, 2006-Mar-22
Major Line Stat Diff, BryanViper, 2007-Sep-14
Phone Jack Wiring info?, BryanViper, 2007-Oct-5

I wasn't sure how to make you realize it had to go
in the end, then it seems like you filtered it out
and hence you turned 2 dB of attenuation into 2 dB
of additional SNR Margin!...  I won't be reassured
until i see a good picture of the stacked (double)
filter inside Bell's demarcation box to prove that
you done it, the numbers may be good with a direct
path but the suggestion was to cut all parasitics.

;)

Lets hope you won't regret not to use this remedy:



:D

By the way...  I added my above edit to remind you
that the test socket isn't protected by a seal cap
anymore if you effectively inserted filters in the
vocal circuit.  So, You better be safe than sorry!

Don't tell me there are no filters in that box, it
would worsen the risks and i may very well turn to
Angelo in order to get one of his certificates!...

:p

BryanViper's Seal Cap
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said by Bicephale See Profile :

THANKS TO YOU!

I was waiting desperately for those numbers!...

;)
hahaha,

Now you can tell everybody you actually know what your talking about & i'm proof so your not just a crazy guy on the forums :P
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I was waiting desperately for those numbers!...

;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19776713 Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:05:49 EDT Re: Phone jack Wires Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19776076 bryanviper : haha I was waiting for you to post :)

Most of this is because of you and all your help & info you have given me in past threads I have created.

Thanks Bicephale and everybody else :)
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It's about time!

I'm glad you finally tried it...

:p]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19776061 Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:22:13 EDT Re: Phone jack Wires Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19775617 bryanviper : ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19775617 Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:19:02 EDT Re: Phone jack Wires Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19775561 bryanviper : & the problem is fixed. I did have to strip them properly & move them right by the cable coming from the bell poll.

here are my old & new Stats. I think I should have a higher attainable rate but because we had some phone issues they put me on a longer loop and other junk that now I can only max out at 7660Kbps before I could reach 8500Kbps at the demarc. Oh well I'm happy.

Thanks for all the help :)
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19775561 Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:12:15 EDT Re: Phone jack Wires Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19772588 TheMG : Hmmm well the place I was thinking of their website seems to be having issues at the moment.

»www.active123.com/

They're definitely not the only ones though.

The tool looks something like this, and is specific to the type and size range of the lug terminals you wish to crimp:

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19772588 Thu, 10 Jan 2008 01:06:02 EDT Re: Phone jack Wires Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19772452 Angelo_ : what tool do i need and you got links?? i was unable to find them at the source]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19772452 Thu, 10 Jan 2008 00:18:06 EDT Re: Phone jack Wires Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19772282 TheMG : Yeah you need to strip those wires better. There should only be copper under the screw, no insulation (plastic) at all.

Angelo_ :
Those copper lug terminals you can get at a whole bunch of places. Usually not hardware stores, but electronic parts stores/suppliers will have them (The Source might have them). Obviously you'll need a proper crimping tool to attach them to the wires.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19772282 Wed, 09 Jan 2008 23:41:54 EDT Re: Phone jack Wires Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19772261 Angelo_ : 6 - 12 are fine thx :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19772261 Wed, 09 Jan 2008 23:38:21 EDT Re: Phone jack Wires Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19772148 Candoo3 :
said by Angelo_ See Profile :

i can't find those copper tip ends... i've been trying to buy these for over a year :/
I'll check by next week. If they have them, how many do you want?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19772148 Wed, 09 Jan 2008 23:20:26 EDT Re: Phone jack Wires Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19772111 Angelo_ : i can't find those copper tip ends... i've been trying to buy these for over a year :/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19772111 Wed, 09 Jan 2008 23:12:50 EDT Re: Phone jack Wires Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19772061 Candoo3 :
said by Angelo_ See Profile :

oh damn... i wnated those ends :(
The electric supply warehouse that I deal with, has started carrying network supplies as well, with lots of stuff. If you have one local to you, maybe wander in and see what they have, even in the regular electrical supplies.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19772061 Wed, 09 Jan 2008 23:04:04 EDT Re: Phone jack Wires Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19771771 bryanviper : hehe sorry. Got the jack off a Bell tech and all that was in there.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19771771 Wed, 09 Jan 2008 22:28:25 EDT Re: Phone jack Wires Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19771764 Angelo_ : oh damn... i wnated those ends :(]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19771764 Wed, 09 Jan 2008 22:27:33 EDT Re: Phone jack Wires Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19771739 bryanviper : hmm if you mean in the phone jack, it just came with it... Got the jack and everything came in there.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19771739 Wed, 09 Jan 2008 22:25:34 EDT Re: Phone jack Wires Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19771723 Angelo_ : where did you buy those copper ends?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19771723 Wed, 09 Jan 2008 22:23:33 EDT Re: Phone jack Wires Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19771693 bryanviper : They are stripped but you cant see it because its under the screw. But I'll re-do them and twist the copper.

Thanks]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19771693 Wed, 09 Jan 2008 22:18:36 EDT Re: Phone jack Wires Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19771554 sMURF : You need to strip those wires, otherwise it'll never work. Strip the green and white/green, twist the copper strands together, then connect them to the terminals.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19771554 Wed, 09 Jan 2008 21:59:26 EDT Re: Phone jack Wires Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19771435 bryanviper : The other lines going into my home should not matter because this Cat6 is going directly to 1 jack for my DSL Modem and nothing else.

here are some pics of the jack.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19771435 Wed, 09 Jan 2008 21:42:30 EDT Re: Phone jack Wires Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19771232 Angelo_ : yes... and inside how is it connected to the phone system.

the colours can be crossed perhaps lets look at this step by step post the other end also

also dud the wire get damaged?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19771232 Wed, 09 Jan 2008 21:14:02 EDT Re: Phone jack Wires Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19770901 bryanviper : I dont have an ohmmeter, or else that would be perfect lol :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19770901 Wed, 09 Jan 2008 20:25:45 EDT Re: Phone jack Wires Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19770784 bryanviper : The plastic covering over the wire correct? I had done that before but it did not work. Also its not 1 copper cable under the plastic covering. its a bunch of small thing ones.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19770784 Wed, 09 Jan 2008 20:04:46 EDT Re: Phone jack Wires Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19770767 Angelo_ : the cat 5 the protecting sheilding needs to be removed]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19770767 Wed, 09 Jan 2008 20:03:21 EDT Re: Phone jack Wires Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19770744 bryanviper : here are some pics of what I did. Am I doing something wrong?

Thanks
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19770744 Wed, 09 Jan 2008 20:00:49 EDT Re: Phone jack Wires Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19770580 TheMG : Green wire in the demarc should connect to the green wire in the jack, red wire to the red wire.

Make sure you know which wires in the CAT5e cable you are using so you make the right connections at each end.

If you suspect the cable is bad, you can tie the two wires of the pair together at one end and then check continuity with an ohmmeter at the other.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19770580 Wed, 09 Jan 2008 19:35:49 EDT Re: Phone jack Wires Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19770564 bryanviper : Still not working for some reason guys.

Re did all connections still nothing. no dial tone from the new jack.

Any ideas?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19770564 Wed, 09 Jan 2008 19:32:57 EDT Re: Phone jack Wires Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19770272 bryanviper :
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said by bryanviper See Profile :

I used the Green/Green White wires to connect to the Demarc & have tried different combos on the jack but nothing seems to work? What wires go to what?
If I understand you correctly, and you're using this jack solely for the outgoing modem connection, then you would use the same CAT6 wires to connect to the red and green terminals at the jack. The yellow and black should be redundant. Correct me if I am wrong.
yup exactly. I wil try to re strip the cable and do it again on Red & green. Hopefully it was just a bad strip or something.

I'll let you guys know.
Thanks
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said by bryanviper See Profile :

I used the Green/Green White wires to connect to the Demarc & have tried different combos on the jack but nothing seems to work? What wires go to what?
If I understand you correctly, and you're using this jack solely for the outgoing modem connection, then you would use the same CAT6 wires to connect to the red and green terminals at the jack. The yellow and black should be redundant. Correct me if I am wrong.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19770226 Wed, 09 Jan 2008 18:42:11 EDT Re: Phone jack Wires Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19770203 Angelo_ : you only need 2 wires the second pair you can leave off as a backup if the wire gets damaged you have a apir to switch to... but thats up to you.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19770203 Wed, 09 Jan 2008 18:38:25 EDT Phone jack Wires Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19770114 bryanviper : Hey guys,

This is what I'm doing.

Cat6 (from Demarc outside) ---> Phone jack in my office.

I used the Green/Green White wires to connect to the Demarc & have tried different combos on the jack but nothing seems to work? What wires go to what?

Should I be using 4 wires instead?

here are some pics so you know what im talking about.

Thanks
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THis is how i have it hooked up using 2 wires.
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This is my phone jack.
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