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Re: A Letter to DSLR Security Enthusiasts There is more to what Daniel says than just security. Once you learn some other OS's, you realize how much you have been overpaying for MS products, and all of the add-on software that is required to make it fully functional. Yes, I realize that there is free software available for Win*, but learn Linux, FreeBSD, or OpenBSD and a world full of free applications becomes yours. The financial investment is usually $40, if you can afford it, free if you cannot.
I'm not bad-mouthing MS products, just pointing out that there is more to the software world. I'm a software whore, I use them all, including Win* when it is the right choice for the task at hand. As I dig deeper into different OS's I am beginning to see that underneath them all, the song remains the same. I think that is part of what Daniel was telling us. Please don't discourage anyone from posting advice here, I think I learn from all of it. There is more to learn in the world than any one of us can know. |
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A nice article that I fully agree with. I have to gone down the path of "paranoia" and used every security app there is.
It was fun learning while using them.
But after 4-5 years one starts to get a bit bored to look behind my shoulder all the time.
So I tried Linux and liked the limited account idea. One day I probably will migrate but for now it is a bit too high learning curve..being a bit lazy as I am.
But I couldnt get the fuzzy feeling of limited account out of my head so I decided to look into the windows version of it.
LUA and some simple software restriction policies goes a long way in windows (Vista) plus computer performance, surfing feels much faster. I always thought that all the security software didnt impact on performance, but they did. It was like the boiling frog analogy... didnt see it until I ditched all realtime protection (except LnS firewall)
So, Daniel there are more people who "seen the light"  Nice to see a well vritten post about it.
During my years with all the security software they never caught anything that I didnt intentionally feed to them.
I´ve been running LUA without any AV, antimalware or antispyware for a couple of months now. I have gone a bit further than scaling down the most advanced security software - I got rid of them all and only use LUA with Software Restriction Policies. It will be interresting to see if I manage to attract some now without any realtime third party protection. |
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I understand your point, ferreting legitimate information and sites can be challenging. It's very hard to make blanket statements in regards security, that's the reason I jumped a comment. There is no easy solution or answer for the vast majority, but it's also prudent that people pay attention and comment on security issues, communication and deliberate involvement is far more important sometimes than a simple solution, it's alright to be wrong, but it's not alright to be passive and accept intrusion.
The key is history, as in most endeavors history teaches the fundamental aspects of any given topic, unfortunately people have a way of attempting to recreate the wheel, on the whole that's not necessary. One simply recognizes those aspects that's fundamentally solid and learns from that; recognizing the fundamentals can challenge many. Topics and conversation on this forum opens the doors to reality.
I like and appreciate how Daniel started out, though he whimsically defeated his own topic on a minor level.
On occasion I do use less a less privileged 'User' status, when I don't care to spend the time knowing I'll have a lot of work to do, but then I don't format on a regular basis, I do reflect on reg files and recent changes on all files. |
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said by dadkins:So, instead of CONSTANTLY using "Run As" or any other convoluted work around... eliminate the hassle! You wouldn't need to unless you're install/updating/upgrading software or making changes to system files that requires elevated privileges. Besides I believe we've had this conversation once before and I don't think there is a need to rehash it again.
I'll admit I run as administrator too but mainly because I'm too lazy to change it to a power user account I might just do that to prove you wrong. 
Disclamer: My name is Bill Gates and I approve this message!
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Mele20Premium
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Re: A Letter to DSLR Security Enthusiasts said by EGeezer:. Lets start with your posting requirements advice. Would you please explain what a "camp" is, what camp you're giving this advice from, what camp is the target and why it's relevant to your targeted camp? Or, save time and space and do like I do. I scann the OP's initial post and determine for myself if it's relevant to me. If not, I move on and let those interested in the subject participate in the subject discussion without having to skip through extraneous complaints. Daniel , my apologies for crapping up this thread with responses to other thread crapping rather than providing substantive contributions to the original subject. Maybe you can start another one and those not interested can ignore it and spend time on things that are interesting to them. Why are you going out of your way to tell folks that they should not be interested, strongly interested in the current drift of this forum? Doesn't this forum belong to US the members? If so, then everyone has the right to read and voice their opinion in this thread. Those who disagree with the OP's premise should not be lectured to like they are children and scolded for not shrugging their shoulders, not commenting and just instead moving on to a thread that "interests" them.
This thread is of vital importance to everyone who loves this forum. I see this thread as the culmination of everything WCB has been trying to do here for all the years he has been the moderator. I see the forum moving faster and faster away from what it used to be and I don't like that and I believe that I have the right, and the duty, to speak up and state that I want to see this forum be primarily for home users and for IT folks who don't turn the forum into a place mostly for IT professionals and corporate security concerns. Of course, there should be a mixture of interests in this forum but I believe strongly that it should be a forum aimed primarily at home users not IT professionals.
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said by »Security :All discussions of Security and Privacy are welcome here. That observation being made, I suggest you complain to mods or management about the topic and changing the subjects for the forum. Whining at me accomplishes nothing.
EDIT - added helpful link »Forum Feature Requests
if we're lucky, all this extraneous crap will be removed
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qrkxPremium
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said by Mele20: Of course, there should be a mixture of interests in this forum but I believe strongly that it should be a forum aimed primarily at home users not IT professionals. I am an IT security professional who occasionally enjoys browsing this forum due to its colorful characters, old friends, and most importantly because of the addiction to exchanging ideas with those willing to do so.
I leave my “IT corporate concerns” out before stepping into the DSLR Bar. There are no threads that even come close to “corporate IT security” and that is refreshing for someone who’s mostly looking at enjoying a cyber-glass of beer (or scotch) over a good & light pseudo-security topic. It is anyone’s forum – and that’s what makes it what it is.
There are network experts, programmers, sys ops, net ops and so on (the aforementioned objects not mutually exclusive) that chip in with their opinions and advices once in a while. That should be appreciated and not scorned as an attempt to transform this forum into a “professional” battleground for uber-hax0rz (or perhaps a charlatan?!!) such as myself. 
I love this bar.
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KiwiPremium
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Quite an interesting topic, thanks for starting it Daniel, an informative topic yet again from you.
I find it quite funny though reading you very good advice, and then finding a constructive arguement after. The main problem it seems though is at the user level, both at the keyboard and the OS levels. The user has to understand what they want of the computer and then hopefully understand enough to train the OS to do what they want without strangulating it. Admin is easier and we can thank Microsoft for that, Apple and Linux(generalizing here) don't allow that as default, but using some tools in a LUA does limit some of your fun.
Hopefully somewhere is a happy medium between that warm fuzzy feeling and stopping hackers from stealing your private info.
Thanks for the topic |
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kudos:1 | Re: A Letter to DSLR Security Enthusiasts Sorry, that's blocked! |
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OK, I heard my name and I feel the need to speak up. First of all, I really don't believe this forum Must be reserved for home users alone. Sure, majority of people who read this forum are home users but there are a lot of security professionals who also read and post in this forum. This forum is not an exclusive club for either one of those groups and I never wanted it to be.
I believe there's power in diversity and it will enrich any group in which it exists. Besides, just because majority of home users do things a certain way, there's no guarantee that it's the right way, nor a proof that it's the wrong way. But I guarantee you one thing, you will never find out the truth unless you listen to others.
My vision for this forum has never been a "Home user dominated forum". It's been having a forum where people can read and discuss and learn about just about anything security or privacy related. If it means Security professionals have to read discussions about products, so be it. Most importantly If it means home users should see threads about corporate security from time to time or read about advanced cryptography or network design, then so be it too. Home users may never need it, but no one can tell me they wouldn't benefit from them if they chose to read them.
I refuse to accept that there's one way of doing things. If the whole world does something a certain way, I can wholeheartedly guarantee you that there's a better way of doing it out there that no one knows about, Yet.
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| For the very first time, you actually mirrored [No pun intended] my thoughts exactly and to the point. That comment along with Daniels ORIGINAL post gives credence to to this forums worth. Like qrkx who also mirrored my own thoughts. Perhaps we can all glean something from this thread, that might impact reality, sufficiently to motivate people to appreciate the help they get and appreciate the feedback those people provide?
I know, many people who I have steered to DSLR Reports [BBR] who really do appreciate the colourful and extrinsic components, but more so the 'Heads up' they receive.
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