Topic 'Re: 2/17/2009 - All DIGITAL TV Transition Discussions go here' in forum 'Comcast Cable TV' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-2172009-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-19765061 en Sat, 11 Feb 2012 06:54:11 EDT Sat, 11 Feb 2012 06:54:11 EDT Re: 2/17 & 6/12 - All DIGITAL TV Transition Discussions go here http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-23782817 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-23782817 Wed, 10 Feb 2010 10:52:17 EDT Re: 2/17 & 6/12 - All DIGITAL TV Transition Discussions go here http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-23781607 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-23781607 Wed, 10 Feb 2010 03:03:15 EDT Re: 2/17 & 6/12 - All DIGITAL TV Transition Discussions go here http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-23675372 said by markofmayhem:

It's possible the rep was indicating that the process is beginning in early Feb, not the conclusion. The 60-90 day countdown may begin in early Feb.

Double check, though: digitalnow.comcast.com
Yes he implied it was the begining of the transition]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-23675372 Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:13:23 EDT Re: 2/17 & 6/12 - All DIGITAL TV Transition Discussions go here http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-23674362
Double check, though: digitalnow.comcast.com
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I can haz competition?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-23674362 Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:36:14 EDT Re: 2/17 & 6/12 - All DIGITAL TV Transition Discussions go here http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-23669421
While on the phone with Comcast today I asked the rep when the area would be getting "The World of More" and he said it is starting in early February. This is the same timeframe as Fresno, so I hope it is really true, and not being confused somehow.

The thing that makes me somewhat dubious of the date is that I've not seen any notices about the transition in our bills or when I've searched SacBee.com (I don't subscribe to the paper). Isn't the region supposed to get a 60-day notice published in the local newspaper?

Secondly it looks like we're also getting iGuide A28 on 1/26/10. I got the message light on my box the other day with the notice about guide changes and to see comcast.com/guide.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-23669421 Tue, 19 Jan 2010 19:11:35 EDT Re: 2/17 & 6/12 - All DIGITAL TV Transition Discussions go here http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-23628031
I just want to vent that I have had more problems with the Comcast website than any other commercial site I have ever interacted with. On-line payments, service changes and now registering for the free digital converters, failures more often than successes. Last name is wrong on the account (close,but wrong, when service transitioned from ATT to Comcast someone screwed up), been trying to fix that problem for years now. Request forms, fill out forms, return forms, nada. Chat hep has been mostly fail and phone service is either super friendly, or very rude, 50/50 with no in between.

Put up with them as long as I didn't have to have any interaction with their site or customer service, figures I'd hit a snag with this "simple, quick and easy" upgrade.

We have FioS phone/internet available now, but no TV yet (waiting on town contract I assume). I can't wait to make the switch...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-23628031 Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:14:41 EDT Re: 2/17 & 6/12 - All DIGITAL TV Transition Discussions go here http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-23586499 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-23586499 Mon, 04 Jan 2010 12:36:39 EDT Re: 2/17 & 6/12 - All DIGITAL TV Transition Discussions go here http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-23554637 said by bobmanzy:

I have a complete schedule of MA and Southern NH transition dates that show the months for when these towns/cities are completely changed over.

June : Newburyport, Newbury, West Newbury, Rowley and Ipswich. These dates are for when "all digital" is complete

September :Ashland, Bellingham, Blackstone, Franklin, Holliston, Hopedale, Hopkinton, Marlboro, Medway, Mendon, Milford, Millis & Plainville

October : Arlington, Belmont, Burlington, Cambridge, Lynnfield, MIT, Nahant, Revere, Peabody, Reading, Saugus, Stoneham Wilmington, Winchester & Woburn

November:Attleboro, Avon, Bridgewater, Brockton, Dighton, East Bridgewater, Easton, Hanson, Holbrook, Mansfield, North Attleboro, Norton, Raynham, Rehoboth, Seekonk, Somerset, Stoughton, Swansea, Taunton, West Bridgewater & Whitman

Andover, Lawrence, Georgetown, Groveland, Haverhill, Methuen, North Andover & North Reading

January 2010:
Acton, Ashburnham, Ashby, Ayer, Baldwinville, Bedford, Bolton, Boxborough, Carlisle, Clinton, Concord, Devens (Ayer) East Templeton, Edgewater Hills, Edgewater Terrance, Fitchburg, Framingham, Gardner, Hanscomb Airforce Base, Hudson, Lancaster, Leominster, Lexington, Lincoln, Littleton, Lunenburg, Maynard, Otter River, Phillipston, Shirley, Southboro, Sterling, Stowe, Sudbury, Templeton, Townsend, West Templeton, Westford, Westminster & Winchendon MA

Chelsea, Everett, Lynn, Malden, Medford, Melrose, Salem, Somerville, Swampscott, Wakefield & Winthrop MA

February 2010:
Barnstable, Brewster, Chatham, Dennis, Eastham, Harwich, Mashpee, Orleans, Provincetown, Truro, Wellfleet, Yarmouth

Allenstown, Antrim, Boscawen, Bow, Canterbury, Chichester, Concord, Deering, Epsom, Henniker, Hillsboro, Hopkinton, Loudon, Pembroke, Weare

March 2010:
Billerica, Dracut, Lowell, Chelmsford, Tewksbury, Tyngsborough, Dedham, Sherborn, Waltham, Newton, Watertown, Wellesley, Weston, Wayland, Natick, Needham
Maybe I'm blind, but I don't see Manchester, NH in that list. Does that mean I have to wait until after March 2010? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-23554637 Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:17:36 EDT Re: 2/17 & 6/12 - All DIGITAL TV Transition Discussions go here http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-23533624 --
Walmart saves the average family $3,100 per year, whether they shop there or not.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-23533624 Tue, 22 Dec 2009 23:42:25 EDT Re: 2/17 & 6/12 - All DIGITAL TV Transition Discussions go here http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-23521201
June : Newburyport, Newbury, West Newbury, Rowley and Ipswich. These dates are for when "all digital" is complete

September :Ashland, Bellingham, Blackstone, Franklin, Holliston, Hopedale, Hopkinton, Marlboro, Medway, Mendon, Milford, Millis & Plainville

October : Arlington, Belmont, Burlington, Cambridge, Lynnfield, MIT, Nahant, Revere, Peabody, Reading, Saugus, Stoneham Wilmington, Winchester & Woburn

November:Attleboro, Avon, Bridgewater, Brockton, Dighton, East Bridgewater, Easton, Hanson, Holbrook, Mansfield, North Attleboro, Norton, Raynham, Rehoboth, Seekonk, Somerset, Stoughton, Swansea, Taunton, West Bridgewater & Whitman

Andover, Lawrence, Georgetown, Groveland, Haverhill, Methuen, North Andover & North Reading

January 2010:
Acton, Ashburnham, Ashby, Ayer, Baldwinville, Bedford, Bolton, Boxborough, Carlisle, Clinton, Concord, Devens (Ayer) East Templeton, Edgewater Hills, Edgewater Terrance, Fitchburg, Framingham, Gardner, Hanscomb Airforce Base, Hudson, Lancaster, Leominster, Lexington, Lincoln, Littleton, Lunenburg, Maynard, Otter River, Phillipston, Shirley, Southboro, Sterling, Stowe, Sudbury, Templeton, Townsend, West Templeton, Westford, Westminster & Winchendon MA

Chelsea, Everett, Lynn, Malden, Medford, Melrose, Salem, Somerville, Swampscott, Wakefield & Winthrop MA

February 2010:
Barnstable, Brewster, Chatham, Dennis, Eastham, Harwich, Mashpee, Orleans, Provincetown, Truro, Wellfleet, Yarmouth

Allenstown, Antrim, Boscawen, Bow, Canterbury, Chichester, Concord, Deering, Epsom, Henniker, Hillsboro, Hopkinton, Loudon, Pembroke, Weare

March 2010:
Billerica, Dracut, Lowell, Chelmsford, Tewksbury, Tyngsborough, Dedham, Sherborn, Waltham, Newton, Watertown, Wellesley, Weston, Wayland, Natick, Needham]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-23521201 Sun, 20 Dec 2009 18:11:03 EDT Re: 2/17 & 6/12 - All DIGITAL TV Transition Discussions go here http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-23455361 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-23455361 Tue, 08 Dec 2009 08:58:21 EDT Re: 2/17 & 6/12 - All DIGITAL TV Transition Discussions go here http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-23267010 this thread is over 90 days old I figured I'd post here. A while back a few people in the Sacramento, CA area said they got mailings about 100 HD Channels being available by the years end. We'll were nearing the year's end and I haven't seen anything more about it. This of course goes hand and in hand with analog reclimation to have the space for more HD channels.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-23267010 Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:19:48 EDT South Florida is Ready! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/South-Florida-is-Ready-23245013 --
"The relationship between what we see and what we know is never settled..."]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/South-Florida-is-Ready-23245013 Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:04:51 EDT Re: 2/17 & 6/12 - All DIGITAL TV Transition Discussions go here http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-23153455 said by Brett09 :

How come with my new Sony HDTV when it scans the stations, I don't get that channel at all when it is part of digital starter package?
I'll assume you've done a channel rescan on your Sony.

I've see something like this with my Sony Bravia. I believe it has to do with the instream PSIP mapping the channel above the ~130 maximum. Sony seems to handle this illogically.

I've emailed Sony support for an explanation of their algorithm for this, but they insist I phone in. (I don't want to know badly enough to waste the time).

I suggest you go to www.silicondust.com, enter your ZIP code, and see if one of their Comcast channel maps fits your lineup. (With luck there'll only be one to choose from).

Look up 146 in the virtualized column to get the corresponding QAM channel number. Enter that number into your Sony directly. (Substitute '.' for '-').

No guarantees. But you may know more than when you started. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-23153455 Thu, 08 Oct 2009 17:11:33 EDT Re: 2/17 & 6/12 - All DIGITAL TV Transition Discussions go here http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-23153120 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-23153120 Thu, 08 Oct 2009 16:19:45 EDT Re: 2/17 & 6/12 - All DIGITAL TV Transition Discussions go here http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-23127902 said by Brett09 :

How come with my new Sony HDTV when it scans the stations, I don't get that channel at all when it is part of digital starter package?
Because everything above 20 or so is encrypted. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-23127902 Sat, 03 Oct 2009 21:50:11 EDT Re: 2/17 & 6/12 - All DIGITAL TV Transition Discussions go here http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-23127648 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-23127648 Sat, 03 Oct 2009 20:56:14 EDT Re: 2/17 & 6/12 - All DIGITAL TV Transition Discussions go here http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-23114390 said by dean4z:

Re: Does comcast also scramble digital channels now?
If your report about getting HD channels for a day is correct, it looks like the answer is yes, but just to be sure - you do have a splitter on the cable to bring it around the DTA to the TV direct - correct? If not, then the DTA will strip the HD digital signal.

If you want to be certain, just plug the cable directly from the wall into your SONY and run a channel scan. If there are any HD unencrypted channels, that should find them.

I'd be interested, as I'm in CT, too, although we haven't gone digital yet.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-23114390 Thu, 01 Oct 2009 14:08:48 EDT Re: 2/17 & 6/12 - All DIGITAL TV Transition Discussions go here http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-23097235 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-23097235 Mon, 28 Sep 2009 18:59:54 EDT Re: 2/17 & 6/12 - All DIGITAL TV Transition Discussions go here http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-23096938 said by bicker:

These changes are all outlined in great detail in the notifications that Comcast provides. The direction for the entire industry is to encrypt digital cable, so folks who want to make the most use of their QAM tuners should ensure that they are CableCARD-compatible.
All true, but no one seems to sell new CableCard TVs these days. Searches at OneCall, J&R, Crutchfield and BestBuy show no hits for 'Cablecard'. A few DVRs and PC tuners are the only current devices that support Cablecard.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-23096938 Mon, 28 Sep 2009 17:57:05 EDT Re: 2/17 & 6/12 - All DIGITAL TV Transition Discussions go here http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-23095520 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-23095520 Mon, 28 Sep 2009 13:55:42 EDT Re: 2/17 & 6/12 - All DIGITAL TV Transition Discussions go here http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-23095394 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-23095394 Mon, 28 Sep 2009 13:34:37 EDT Re: 2/17 & 6/12 - All DIGITAL TV Transition Discussions go here http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-23095097
From CT, newington meriden area.

Just went throught the analog to dig conversion with the DTA's and cable box this Sept 2009.

It is crap!!!

I have a Sony XBR tv with QAM digital tuner-- i used to get NBC, CBS, Fox, PBS, etc in high def. Plus cnn, espn, fx in 480i digital, as well as analog NTSC.

Comcast came out to set/fix the cable lines because the signal was weak and DTA would not work.
We tested the channels, picture in picture, before the guy left and I did receive NBC, CBS, Fox, etc in high def for a day or so.

But the next day I can't pick up any HD signals at all--I'm not talking about CNN or ESPN or CNBC. But the over-the-air channels that you can pick up with an antenna for free like CBS, NBC, etc. So I lost all HD stations.

Listen to this: I'm supposed to have "digital starter".
My Sony TV has Picture in Picture--when i split the screen I can only get a digital "atsc" station on the left screen, and on the right screen the TV can receive only analog "ntsc" channels--fine.
Now after this bullshi# comcast conversion I get only "NTSC" stations on both the left screen Picture-in-Picture as well as the right screen.

Basically this means my Sony TV is only picking up an analog signal- from the remote when you select "Display info" it even says "NTSC" analog for every supposed digital starter channel. And last month i could get any station in "480i" digital and some like NBC in high definition "1080i". The NTSC stations i now get even look slightly less clear or fuzzier than before the conversion.

It is complete shi# service. And how do you set up channel-skip for all these crap stations like qvc and telemundo??? it's like finding a needle in a hay stack!

I hate Comcast]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-23095097 Mon, 28 Sep 2009 12:46:47 EDT Re: 2/17 & 6/12 - All DIGITAL TV Transition Discussions go here http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-23030629 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-23030629 Wed, 16 Sep 2009 00:23:04 EDT Re: 2/17 & 6/12 - All DIGITAL TV Transition Discussions go here http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-22968246 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-22968246 Thu, 03 Sep 2009 12:10:07 EDT Re: 2/17 & 6/12 - All DIGITAL TV Transition Discussions go here http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-22967866 said by bicker:

Local OTA channels will remain unencrypted.
So, all manner of TV inputs to PCs are limited to local analog, the QAM tuner aspect becomes moot with encryption. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-22967866 Thu, 03 Sep 2009 10:51:24 EDT Re: 2/17 & 6/12 - All DIGITAL TV Transition Discussions go here http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-22966916
Local OTA channels will remain unencrypted.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-22966916 Thu, 03 Sep 2009 06:02:57 EDT Re: 2/17 & 6/12 - All DIGITAL TV Transition Discussions go here http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-22965519 said by bicker:

Yup.... late breaking news...
So all things that would receive QAM signals (e.g. TiVo, actual TV, little USB dongles that plug into computer, etc.) all rendered useless.
And if I want the extra TiVos to tune anything above analog, it's cards for me? Right? I assume that if they have this waiver, they'll jump on it and encrypt all QAM channels?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-22965519 Wed, 02 Sep 2009 20:42:29 EDT Re: 2/17 & 6/12 - All DIGITAL TV Transition Discussions go here http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-22933173 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-22933173 Thu, 27 Aug 2009 13:56:57 EDT Re: 2/17 & 6/12 - All DIGITAL TV Transition Discussions go here http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-22932837 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-22932837 Thu, 27 Aug 2009 13:00:57 EDT Re: 2/17 & 6/12 - All DIGITAL TV Transition Discussions go here http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-22885675
Second, "not considered true encryption" would not be the reason that waivers are being granted. Waivers are being granted because it is determined to be in the public interest to make advanced (i.e., encrypted) services available to subscribers for less money (since DTAs cost less than STBs). Granting this waiver tends to be a win-win: The subscribers win because a couple of DTAs are already included in the price they pay, while having to upgrade to STBs could cost a few dollars each. The cable company wins because they can plan on a few extra subscribers being willing to upgrade to advanced (i.e., encrypted) services, since the box rentals cost less.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-22885675 Tue, 18 Aug 2009 11:54:19 EDT Re: 2/17 & 6/12 - All DIGITAL TV Transition Discussions go here http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-22885498 said by bicker:

Just to be clear, there definitely is a law against MSOs using privacy mode in DTAs, without a waiver. The law is known as the "separable security ban". Thanks, I forgot about that. I guess the waivers are being allowed at times since it's not considered true encryption?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-22885498 Tue, 18 Aug 2009 11:23:16 EDT Re: 2/17 & 6/12 - All DIGITAL TV Transition Discussions go here http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-22881259 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-22881259 Mon, 17 Aug 2009 14:34:05 EDT Re: 2/17 & 6/12 - All DIGITAL TV Transition Discussions go here http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-22880561 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-22880561 Mon, 17 Aug 2009 12:38:59 EDT Re: 2/17 & 6/12 - All DIGITAL TV Transition Discussions go here http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-22880364
Full encryption makes even the MPEG stream unreadable. It uses patented techniques that require royalty payments ($$$). I don't know if there is an actual law saying you can't use encryption (maybe for broadcast/local access, but I don't know about other channels), or if it's just a cost issue.

DTA's are a bit more sophisticated than a simple QAM tuner. They do have activation, and read a channel map hidden in the data stream on most channels so the user can use regular channel numbers. A plain QAM tuner will typically end up using 86-1, 86-2, 86-3, etc... unless Comcast starts using PSIP to remap numbers.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-22880364 Mon, 17 Aug 2009 12:03:04 EDT Re: 2/17 & 6/12 - All DIGITAL TV Transition Discussions go here http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-22880297 said by bicker:

Until Comcast is granted a waiver, DTAs, by law, cannot not present cable networks that are encrypted, regardless of the service tier you are subscribed to.
Just when I thought I understood.
I thought a DTA was just a converter analogous to the OTA box, but shifting QAM to view on analog TV. With no decryption in the box, what law are you referencing? How will DTAs suddenly decrypt upon receipt of any waiver? (Do DTAs have more power than I understand?)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-22880297 Mon, 17 Aug 2009 11:50:53 EDT Re: 2/17 & 6/12 - All DIGITAL TV Transition Discussions go here http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-22869788 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-22869788 Fri, 14 Aug 2009 19:53:53 EDT Re: 2/17 & 6/12 - All DIGITAL TV Transition Discussions go here http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-22869702 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-22869702 Fri, 14 Aug 2009 19:36:44 EDT Re: 2/17 & 6/12 - All DIGITAL TV Transition Discussions go here http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-22869624 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-22869624 Fri, 14 Aug 2009 19:21:46 EDT Re: 2/17 & 6/12 - All DIGITAL TV Transition Discussions go here http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-22869011 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-22869011 Fri, 14 Aug 2009 17:22:36 EDT Re: 2/17 & 6/12 - All DIGITAL TV Transition Discussions go here http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-22829601 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-22829601 Fri, 07 Aug 2009 07:32:11 EDT Re: 2/17 & 6/12 - All DIGITAL TV Transition Discussions go here http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-22829532
- The absolute lowest cable package available is "Digital Starter"; they don't even have must-carry analog.

- The only high-speed Internet package is Performance Plus "Downloads up to 16Mbps, uploads up to 2Mbps with PowerBoost", which sounds like it would be 8 mbps. I just rebooted my cable modem, and I'm still getting 6.6/1.1.

Coincidentally, Comcast just introduced domain-not-found hijacking in our area, which I very quickly opted out of.

This made me think: does this mean Project Cavalry has made touch down here?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-22829532 Fri, 07 Aug 2009 06:54:06 EDT Re: 2/17 & 6/12 - All DIGITAL TV Transition Discussions go here http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-22813746 IM with Comcast confirmed it's next week.
I'm certain I didn't miss any mail and no email came from Comcast to warn me. Well, I guess I'll go get my DTAs.

I still have no idea what channels I'll get on the old cable ready TV, or the TV with the TiVo but with no cards. I guess I'll know soon.

(UPDATE - chatted again, my town NOT on list yet, yesterday's agent made a mistake. Or today's did, hmm, I'll figure it was yesterday that got it wrong, as Bicker here didn't have me on list)

(Update, later same day - I just got the letter. Sudbury, MA going digital Jan 19, 2010. So it appears that TiVo had better info than either rep, one had a bad date, the other, none at all.)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-22813746 Tue, 04 Aug 2009 15:00:10 EDT Re: 2/17 & 6/12 - All DIGITAL TV Transition Discussions go here http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-22782316
June: Newburyport, Newbury, West Newbury, Rowley and Ipswich.

September: Ashland, Bellingham, Blackstone, Franklin, Holliston, Hopedale, Hopkinton, Marlboro, Medway, Mendon, Milford, Millis & Plainville

October: Arlington, Belmont, Burlington, Cambridge, Lynnfield, MIT, Nahant, Revere, Peabody, Reading, Saugus, Stoneham Wilmington, Winchester & Woburn

November: Attleboro, Avon, Bridgewater, Brockton, Dighton, East Bridgewater, Easton, Hanson, Holbrook, Mansfield, North Attleboro, Norton, Raynham, Rehoboth, Seekonk, Somerset, Stoughton, Swansea, Taunton, West Bridgewater & Whitman, Andover, Lawrence, Georgetown, Groveland, Haverhill, Methuen, North Andover & North Reading]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-22782316 Wed, 29 Jul 2009 05:16:34 EDT Re: 2/17 & 6/12 - All DIGITAL TV Transition Discussions go here http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-22781196 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-22781196 Tue, 28 Jul 2009 21:46:22 EDT Re: 2/17 & 6/12 - All DIGITAL TV Transition Discussions go here http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-22646289
Verizon applied for a waiver, so did the "cable companies", the goal was to yet again put off the seperate security STB's that have a higher cost to purchase from Motorola/SA. Verizon was granted the waiver, the cable companies were not. Verizon promised the FCC it would go all-digital before the DTV switch, helping it achieve this waiver. Verizon didn't miss it's promise. The waiver was the ability to use non-seperate security equipment, such as the QIP3416 and QIP6416.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-22646289 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:12:47 EDT Re: 2/17 & 6/12 - All DIGITAL TV Transition Discussions go here http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-22646259 said by markofmayhem:

Verizon was granted the waiver, the cable companies were not. Verizon promised the FCC it would go all-digital before the DTV switch, helping it achieve this waiver. Verizon missed it's promise. The waiver was the ability to use non-seperate security equipment, such as the QIP3416 and QIP6416.
I'm confused, which promise did Vz miss? Because they certainly went all digital well before the DTV switch...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-22646259 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:08:24 EDT Re: 2/17 & 6/12 - All DIGITAL TV Transition Discussions go here http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-22645064 said by Agent 86 :

(Yes, they have to offer cable boxes with analog outputs - which of course they all do anyway. That is completely irrelevant).
No, it isn't, it's the very point you fail to understand. Verizon (which is NOT a cable company) is subject to the same statute as Comcast, Cox, etc, they must provide at least one digital to analog converter per home (which they do, every Verizon package includes one STB). GCI services Anchorage, Alaska; it's customer base is below the threshhold, it is not required to provide a DTA (but, again, they do, so they are in compliance with a regulation they do not need to comply with if they so choose).

"Small" operators have ALWAYS had relief from FCC regulations.

RCN was not forced, it chose to convert and did it to compete with Comcast in Chicago ONLY:

said by RCN's Website :
I have heard that RCN is converting its system to all-digital. What is that all about?
Separate from the nationwide over-the-air digital television transition, RCN is in the process of phasing out our own analog tier of service in order to free up capacity so we can bring you more High Definition and Video-On-Demand programming. The RCN system in the Chicago market has completed this conversion and is now providing its customers with fully digital cable service. The remaining RCN systems will be converting through out this year and next. This is a separate process from the digital broadcast television transition and may not be completed in all markets prior to February 17, 2009. All of RCN’s customers, including those using both analog and digital television sets, will continue to receive their cable and local broadcast channels without interruption, but it will require that you have a set-top box or cablecard at each TV.


BTW, RCN Chicago includes one set-top box with it's service, thus complying with the Analog compatibility Must-Carry option until 2012. In Lehigh Valley where analog signal is still used, they do not include it.

Comcast, Cox, Time Warner, etc. had a CHOICE which way they would comply with the FCC Broadcast mandate that accepted Must-Carry licenses with the option to force analog compatibility until 2012 in regard to carriage. They could either convert to analog at the head end or at the customer's location. Comcast decided to do it at the head-end, RCN/GCI/Verizon chose to do it at the customer's location.

I will state this again since you failed to either read it or understand it the first time.

said by markofmayhem :
bound by the FCC regs to provide analog support on FCC approved must-carry broadcast channels who elect the analog option until 2012; either by delivering an analog signal or providing a Digital to Analog converter at the consumer's location.


No "cable" company is forced to carry analog, they are FORCED to provide compatibility for an anaog television to receive FCC accepted Must-Carry broadcast channels carried on the system. They can do this through DTA's in the home or by converting to analog at the head-end and continue to send an analog signal downline.

Just to put the nail in this tired old coffin YET AGAIN.

At no time did the FCC force Verizon to go "all digital".

Verizon applied for a waiver, so did the "cable companies", the goal was to yet again put off the seperate security STB's that have a higher cost to purchase from Motorola/SA. Verizon was granted the waiver, the cable companies were not. Verizon promised the FCC it would go all-digital before the DTV switch, helping it achieve this waiver. Verizon missed it's promise. The waiver was the ability to use non-seperate security equipment, such as the QIP3416 and QIP6416.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-22645064 Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:10:21 EDT Re: 2/17 & 6/12 - All DIGITAL TV Transition Discussions go here http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-22636177 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-217-612-All-DIGITAL-TV-Transition-Discussions-go-here-22636177 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:15:57 EDT