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said by fatness  :You didn't answer him. Here's your statement and his question again: said by Karl Bode : said by pnh1102 :
It is very easy to be successful when you have the taxpayer teat
I'm sorry, just to be clear, are you talking about muni operators or incumbent operators? My bad.
Both do quite well (financially) when getting taxpayer money. We see the same examples when taxpayers build stadiums for professional sports teams and such.
And that's why it is always wrong, and it is always the fault of the government when these things are allowed to happen.
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said by pnh102 :said by Karl Bode :I'm sorry, just to be clear, are you talking about muni operators or incumbent operators? Who's fault is it when any private company gets any taxpayer money? You didn't answer him. Here's your statement and his question again:
said by Karl Bode : said by pnh1102 :
It is very easy to be successful when you have the taxpayer teat
I'm sorry, just to be clear, are you talking about muni operators or incumbent operators?
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With all of the talk about how much the cable and telcos rates are, what makes your believe the muni projects are money pits? Maybe their money pits are less? (I don't know)
The internet today is not the internet of yore. It is now where we get access to government, private company bill payments, news, video, radio and good old fashioned plain old discussion via ad-block required web sites. Wait around,
it'll be more or a pita to converse in ten years unless you accept the ads and willing to participate with shills.
In 94 the bells wanted nothing to do with the internet.
They have now taken out the ISPs
There is something to prevent us from investing our own money...we can't get right of way access as individuals or anything other than spending a fortune to be declares cable tv or telephone companies.
You have a profitable idea (or even break-even)?
said by pnh102 :Each time a Bell stops a municipally funded Internet project it should be given a medal. These projects have a solid reputation for turning into huge money pits. Local governments have more important things to spend money on than providing Internet. There is nothing stopping private citizens from investing their own money, without the help of government, to roll their own Internet. |
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said by JasonD :
Telco's get beaten over the head on a daily basis for not providing broadband to areas we all know don't make good business sense. So is it any wonder they are trying to protect and insulate themselves from all this crap?
If it doesn't make sense for them, why do they consistently fight off any efforts of government entities that believe a business case can be built? |
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Why the heck would a bunch of hick Kentucky rednecks need the "internets" anyway? Don't they have coons to chase and pickups with shotgun racks to drive? |
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said by Karl Bode :I'm sorry, just to be clear, are you talking about muni operators or incumbent operators? Who's fault is it when any private company gets any taxpayer money?
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Both obviously, because both do so. The funny thing is that taxpayers can either spend the money on their own infrastructure, or they can spend the money propping up some investors portfolio. |
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It is very easy to be successful when you have the taxpayer teat
I'm sorry, just to be clear, are you talking about muni operators or incumbent operators? |
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said by Ahrenl :Leave out of the search wifi/wimax and get back to me. Why? These are perfect examples of why governments need to stay out of the Internet racket.
said by Ahrenl :Municpal wired networks have done just fine... Of course they have. It is very easy to be successful when you have the taxpayer teat, or funds coming in from another municipally run service, from which you can leech.
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North Andover, MA | reply to pnh102
Local money in local governments is very much controlable by locals.
Leave out of the search wifi/wimax and get back to me. Municpal wired networks have done just fine... |
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said by Ahrenl :Thanks for the FUD. FUD? Go search this website and you will see many stories about municipal internet failures and boondoggles.
said by Ahrenl :Local governments should get to decide what to spend THEIR money on. It isn't their money. That money belongs to the taxpayers and the government has a responsibility to spend it on things that are needed, not on toys.
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North Andover, MA | reply to pnh102
Thanks for the FUD.
Local governments should get to decide what to spend THEIR money on. |
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Just the Bells and Cable Co's that drive them out of business |
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said by gaforces :That's fine, but actively opposing municipality's who are attempting to deploy in rural area's is going too far. Each time a Bell stops a municipally funded Internet project it should be given a medal. These projects have a solid reputation for turning into huge money pits. Local governments have more important things to spend money on than providing Internet.
There is nothing stopping private citizens from investing their own money, without the help of government, to roll their own Internet.
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One can defend one's self without hurting other people. The ends don't justify the means.
Nobody is forcing AT&T to deploy broadband where they don't want to. Yet, as soon as "the government" looks for a way to fill in the gaps, AT&T gets involved and tries to prevent the gaps from being filled, or try to monopolize it themselves and then continue ignoring it. |
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Yah I was just looking, some unknown poster on »www.kypolitics.org/kypolitics/20···bro.html
"monticello and wayne county who went out on there own against the wishes of the connectkentucky establishment and got federal funding to do a real state of the art fiber project instead of same ole phone company"
Im looking for some proof, havent found any, but I havent found anything to disprove it yet.
»www.monticellofiber.com/
»www.monticellofiber.com/fiberoptics.html
Rural broadband deployment has competition »www.blandinfoundation.org/bsite/···0701.htm
Lot's of company's want that gov't money. |
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said by gaforces :There are some county's in Kentucky that agree with him too. They didnt get on the connect Kentucky bandwagon, fought them and the imcumbents, and deployed thier own fiber. Any links?
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There are some county's in Kentucky that agree with him too.
They didnt get on the connect Kentucky bandwagon, fought them and the imcumbents, and deployed thier own fiber. |
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said by Karl Bode :Picture this: an independent State-based effort to improve the lives of regional locals is hijacked by a group of massive corporations, who in turn use this new and freshly budgeted organization as a lobbying front to do the exact opposite of its originally proposed mission statement. They now take taxpayer dollars in order to mislead and confuse the public into thinking positive change is happening, while under the surface consumer interests are trampled. According to Art Brodsky!! Seems like most others disagree that that is what is happening.
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