Re: Completely understandable in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r19781507 en Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:29:38 EDT Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:29:38 EDT Re: Completely understandable http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19786749 fatness : Thank you.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19786749 Sat, 12 Jan 2008 11:42:29 EDT Re: Completely understandable http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19786453 pnh102 :
said by fatness See Profile :

You didn't answer him. Here's your statement and his question again:

said by Karl Bode See Profile :

said by pnh1102 :
It is very easy to be successful when you have the taxpayer teat


I'm sorry, just to be clear, are you talking about muni operators or incumbent operators?
My bad.

Both do quite well (financially) when getting taxpayer money. We see the same examples when taxpayers build stadiums for professional sports teams and such.

And that's why it is always wrong, and it is always the fault of the government when these things are allowed to happen.
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said by pnh102 See Profile :

said by Karl Bode See Profile :

I'm sorry, just to be clear, are you talking about muni operators or incumbent operators?
Who's fault is it when any private company gets any taxpayer money?
You didn't answer him. Here's your statement and his question again:

said by Karl Bode See Profile :

said by pnh1102 :
It is very easy to be successful when you have the taxpayer teat

I'm sorry, just to be clear, are you talking about muni operators or incumbent operators?

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The internet today is not the internet of yore. It is now where we get access to government, private company bill payments, news, video, radio and good old fashioned plain old discussion via ad-block required web sites. Wait around,
it'll be more or a pita to converse in ten years unless you accept the ads and willing to participate with shills.

In 94 the bells wanted nothing to do with the internet.
They have now taken out the ISPs

There is something to prevent us from investing our own money...we can't get right of way access as individuals or anything other than spending a fortune to be declares cable tv or telephone companies.

You have a profitable idea (or even break-even)?

said by pnh102 See Profile :

Each time a Bell stops a municipally funded Internet project it should be given a medal. These projects have a solid reputation for turning into huge money pits. Local governments have more important things to spend money on than providing Internet.

There is nothing stopping private citizens from investing their own money, without the help of government, to roll their own Internet.
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said by JasonD :

Telco's get beaten over the head on a daily basis for not providing broadband to areas we all know don't make good business sense. So is it any wonder they are trying to protect and insulate themselves from all this crap?
If it doesn't make sense for them, why do they consistently fight off any efforts of government entities that believe a business case can be built?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19785187 Sat, 12 Jan 2008 00:18:16 EDT Re: Completely understandable http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19784280 zachary1 : Why the heck would a bunch of hick Kentucky rednecks need the "internets" anyway? Don't they have coons to chase and pickups with shotgun racks to drive?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19784280 Fri, 11 Jan 2008 21:17:39 EDT Re: Completely understandable http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19783355 pnh102 :
said by Karl Bode See Profile :

I'm sorry, just to be clear, are you talking about muni operators or incumbent operators?
Who's fault is it when any private company gets any taxpayer money?
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quote:
It is very easy to be successful when you have the taxpayer teat
I'm sorry, just to be clear, are you talking about muni operators or incumbent operators?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19782853 Fri, 11 Jan 2008 17:25:32 EDT Re: Completely understandable http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19782826 pnh102 :
said by Ahrenl See Profile :

Leave out of the search wifi/wimax and get back to me.
Why? These are perfect examples of why governments need to stay out of the Internet racket.
said by Ahrenl See Profile :

Municpal wired networks have done just fine...
Of course they have. It is very easy to be successful when you have the taxpayer teat, or funds coming in from another municipally run service, from which you can leech.
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Leave out of the search wifi/wimax and get back to me. Municpal wired networks have done just fine...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19782584 Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:47:59 EDT Re: Completely understandable http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19782535 pnh102 :
said by Ahrenl See Profile :

Thanks for the FUD.
FUD? Go search this website and you will see many stories about municipal internet failures and boondoggles.
said by Ahrenl See Profile :

Local governments should get to decide what to spend THEIR money on.
It isn't their money. That money belongs to the taxpayers and the government has a responsibility to spend it on things that are needed, not on toys.
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Local governments should get to decide what to spend THEIR money on. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19782441 Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:30:26 EDT Re: Completely understandable http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19782189 Nuts : Just the Bells and Cable Co's that drive them out of business]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19782189 Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:49:02 EDT Re: Completely understandable http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19782162 pnh102 :
said by gaforces See Profile :

That's fine, but actively opposing municipality's who are attempting to deploy in rural area's is going too far.
Each time a Bell stops a municipally funded Internet project it should be given a medal. These projects have a solid reputation for turning into huge money pits. Local governments have more important things to spend money on than providing Internet.

There is nothing stopping private citizens from investing their own money, without the help of government, to roll their own Internet.
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Nobody is forcing AT&T to deploy broadband where they don't want to. Yet, as soon as "the government" looks for a way to fill in the gaps, AT&T gets involved and tries to prevent the gaps from being filled, or try to monopolize it themselves and then continue ignoring it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19782129 Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:38:00 EDT Re: Completely understandable http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19781683 gaforces : Yah I was just looking, some unknown poster on »www.kypolitics.org/kypolitics/20···bro.html
"monticello and wayne county who went out on there own against the wishes of the connectkentucky establishment and got federal funding to do a real state of the art fiber project instead of same ole phone company"

Im looking for some proof, havent found any, but I havent found anything to disprove it yet.

»www.monticellofiber.com/
»www.monticellofiber.com/fiberoptics.html

Rural broadband deployment has competition »www.blandinfoundation.org/bsite/···0701.htm
Lot's of company's want that gov't money.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19781683 Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:19:43 EDT Re: Completely understandable http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19781670 TKJunkMail :
said by gaforces See Profile :

There are some county's in Kentucky that agree with him too.
They didnt get on the connect Kentucky bandwagon, fought them and the imcumbents, and deployed thier own fiber.
Any links?
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They didnt get on the connect Kentucky bandwagon, fought them and the imcumbents, and deployed thier own fiber.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19781643 Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:12:15 EDT Re: Completely understandable http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19781606 TKJunkMail :
said by Karl Bode See Profile :

Picture this: an independent State-based effort to improve the lives of regional locals is hijacked by a group of massive corporations, who in turn use this new and freshly budgeted organization as a lobbying front to do the exact opposite of its originally proposed mission statement. They now take taxpayer dollars in order to mislead and confuse the public into thinking positive change is happening, while under the surface consumer interests are trampled.
According to Art Brodsky!! Seems like most others disagree that that is what is happening.
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Yes, that sounds like a perfectly reasonable reaction to getting picked on by a handful of increasingly marginalized consumer advocates because you think rural ROI isn't worth your time.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19781572 Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:02:12 EDT Re: Completely understandable http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19781515 S_engineer : Well then why stop others from trying to deploy into those areas that they themselves don't serve!

Anything that the Deathstar and friends try to do is 99% of the time not consumer friendly. Is anybody surprised by this?
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said by JasonD :

Telco's get beaten over the head on a daily basis for not providing broadband to areas we all know don't make good business sense. So is it any wonder they are trying to protect and insulate themselves from all this crap?
That's fine, but actively opposing municipality's who are attempting to deploy in rural area's is going too far.

Deploying in rural area's will give incumbents competition, as the municipality's will have infrastructure in area's of the incumbent, that they have no control over.

When and if they decide to deploy, it will already have established service, making it less profitable for them.

As far as this connect nation thing, town's that try and deploy without thier help and control of the incumbents, get heavy opposition. Even if they have no plan's for deploying in thier area's. Seem's to be a conflict of interest in there somewhere's.

How bout if those municipality's start connecting together, and bypass incumbents altogether? Aye? :)
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