 ieolusSupport The Clecs
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Duluth, GA | reply to pnh102
Re: Irresponsible said by pnh102:The "War on Poverty" was brought to us by LBJ. We're still fighting that with no appreciable results. No we aren't, Bush pulled out of that war 7 years ago.
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1 edit | said by ieolus:No we aren't, Bush pulled out of that war 7 years ago. I wish you were right. This President Bush expanded the welfare state in the USA more than any president ever.
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ackman
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Acworth, GA | said by pnh102:said by ieolus:No we aren't, Bush pulled out of that war 7 years ago. I wish you were right. This President Bush expanded the welfare state in the USA more than any president ever. A further clarification on your point, he expanded the CORPORATE welfare more than any president ever. If it's not obvious, I'm not a corporatist...I firmly don't believe in handouts to corporations, it's no better than giving welfare checks to someone sitting at home doing nothing who is capable of working. I would also like us to reinstate the Sherman anti-trust act that Reagan killed, the tax rates pre-Reagan, and the energy policy Carter implemented, which Reagan also killed. |
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Mount Airy, MD | said by ackman:I would also like us to reinstate the Sherman anti-trust act that Reagan killed, the tax rates pre-Reagan, and the energy policy Carter implemented, which Reagan also killed. At least we get jobs in exchange for corporate welfare.
And do you really want to go back to the bad old days of 78% marginal income tax rates and 20%+ interest rates?
I really wish you were right about Reagan killing Carter's energy "policy." We'd have more nuclear reactors, more oil refineries, more oil exploration. Certainly not the BS we have to deal with now. Do you own stock in sweater companies by any chance?
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ackman
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Acworth, GA
1 edit | said by pnh102:said by ackman:I would also like us to reinstate the Sherman anti-trust act that Reagan killed, the tax rates pre-Reagan, and the energy policy Carter implemented, which Reagan also killed. At least we get jobs in exchange for corporate welfare. And do you really want to go back to the bad old days of 78% marginal income tax rates and 20%+ interest rates? I really wish you were right about Reagan killing Carter's energy "policy." We'd have more nuclear reactors, more oil refineries, more oil exploration. Certainly not the BS we have to deal with now. Do you own stock in sweater companies by any chance? I'll gladly restore the 78% tax bracket for the ultra wealthy. They've been able to amass their fortunes on the backs of American regulated infrastructure, so they should carry more of the load for being allowed to garner such wealth. Reagan killed "good government" as we knew it.
Do you honestly believe that CEOs are taking all their tax breaks so they can create jobs in America? Have you heard of Microsoft, Accenture, Oracle, etc? Do you think they have any desire to create jobs in America, other than front-end sales jobs?
You want more nuclear reactors? Can we dispose of the waste in your back yard?
Republican econmic policy has driven corporate consolidation, which has resulted in fewer gas refineries as big oil merges into just a few behemoths. How many billions in profits are enough? How fair is it that they conspired to limit refinery output to keep prices higher at the pump?
Do a little more reading, and a little less Faux News Channel. You'll find how Reagan ripped the solar panels off the White House that Carter installed to power the water heaters. Carter declared the oil crisis of the 70's to be a "clear and present danger" for the United States, and he set about on an aggressive energy policy to reduce our dependence on arab oil. It's all out there, you just need to be a little more curious of nature and do some reading. Learning isn't such a bad thing, conservatives are capable if they set their mind to it. |
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Mount Airy, MD | said by ackman:I'll gladly restore the 78% tax bracket for the ultra wealthy. The last time taxes were raised at the federal level in 1993, people making $30K a year were considered to be wealthy, and thus worthy of such a tax hike. Besides, you should be happy that the top 50% of wage-earners pay 96% of the total income tax collected by the federal government.
said by ackman:Reagan killed "good government" as we knew it. Not to mention the USSR as well.
said by ackman:Do you honestly believe that CEOs are taking all their tax breaks so they can create jobs in America? Yes, as a matter of fact I do believe it, because each time taxes are cut, the economy here creates more jobs.
said by ackman:You want more nuclear reactors? Can we dispose of the waste in your back yard? Other countries, most notably France and Japan, have developed technology to reuse nuclear waste and make more power. Why can't we do the same here? Oh that's right, because of idiot tree-huggers who oppose nuclear power at all costs, even if it means we live with rolling blackouts during the summer and no heat during the winter.
said by ackman:Republican econmic policy has driven corporate consolidation, which has resulted in fewer gas refineries as big oil merges into just a few behemoths. Might want to check your history there, just as many, if not more, oil company mergers occurred during the 1990s. Who was president then?
said by ackman:How many billions in profits are enough? How fair is it that they conspired to limit refinery output to keep prices higher at the pump? Up until recently, we had not built a refinery since the mid 1970s. As a result, we've had to import gasoline in addition to oil. If the oil companies really were limiting refinery output as part of some conspiracy, do you think they would "let" us import gasoline?
said by ackman:You'll find how Reagan ripped the solar panels off the White House that Carter installed to power the water heaters. Good, they looked unsightly.
said by ackman:Carter declared the oil crisis of the 70's to be a "clear and present danger" for the United States, and he set about on an aggressive energy policy to reduce our dependence on arab oil. Yawn. Big words. What did Carter actually accomplish? Nothing. If he was so successful, why are we still importing arab oil in 2008?
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Acworth, GA | Ah, I love conservatives.
1) Which part of "Reagan ended Carter's energy programs" is difficult to understand?
2) You didn't answer this question: Would you be willing to have a facility in your own neighborhood to store spent nuclear waste?
3) CEOs are creating more jobs overseas, not in America. They are also moving their headquarters offshore to avoid US taxes.
4) The CIA predicted the collapse of the Soviet Union long before Reagan got into office.
5) " even if it means we live with rolling blackouts during the summer and no heat during the winter" -- This is actually due to corporate malfeasance moreso than the "idiot tree huggers", as you so dimly accuse as being responsible.
6) The 1990's featured a Republican-controlled and veto-proof US congress. It made no difference who the president was, or which party he represented. Congress makes the laws, not the president. Read your history, pal.
7) Oil company mergers, combined with the fascists of the current Bush administration, are directly responsible for the high price of gasoline at the pump, and crude oil at the ports. Crude oil traded at 25% of its current price before Bozo the clown was appointed president by the US Supreme Court. |
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Mount Airy, MD
1 edit | said by ackman:1) Which part of "Reagan ended Carter's energy programs" is difficult to understand? Yawn... If Carter's energy program was so great, why didn't it work? Reagan was absolutely correct to end it.
said by ackman:2) You didn't answer this question: Would you be willing to have a facility in your own neighborhood to store spent nuclear waste? No.
said by ackman:3) CEOs are creating more jobs overseas, not in America. They are also moving their headquarters offshore to avoid US taxes. You're telling me that not a single job has been created in the USA? And what is wrong with avoiding taxes? How many of us do the same thing if we can do so legally? Maybe if US corporate taxes were lower we'd see less of this.
said by ackman:4) The CIA predicted the collapse of the Soviet Union long before Reagan got into office. The CIA also said Iraq had WMD and Iran is no threat. Do you believe that too?
The USSR would have continued as it had if Reagan had not done anything. It had been going strong for 70 years until Reagan put an end to it.
Oh yes, and we can thank Carter for throwing the Shah of Iran under the bus and doing nothing to stop the mullahs for taking power in Iran. He could have stopped Iran, but he chose not to. We now see, 30 years later, the failure of his idiotic foreign policy (or lack thereof).
said by ackman:This is actually due to corporate malfeasance moreso than the "idiot tree huggers", as you so dimly accuse as being responsible. Who is always against building new power plants? Idiot tree-huggers or companies that make money selling power?
said by ackman:6) The 1990's featured a Republican-controlled and veto-proof US congress. You do realize you need 2/3 of both houses of Congress controlled by one party to be veto-proof, right? We did not have that in the 1990s.
said by ackman:7) Oil company mergers, combined with the fascists of the current Bush administration, are directly responsible for the high price of gasoline at the pump, and crude oil at the ports. Yawn. Gas was 80 cents in 1998 and $1.50 in 2000. That's a nearly 100% price increase. Why didn't Bill Clinton do anything about that?
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Acworth, GA | Gotta love conservatives, they're never wrong, are they? |
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Mount Airy, MD | said by ackman:Gotta love conservatives, they're never wrong, are they? I knew you would finally admit the truth.
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