 ztmikeMark for moderationPremium
join:2001-08-02
Michigan City, IN | Just Die The RIAA should just DIE already. |
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 Mactronel Camino RealPremium
join:2001-12-16
CM94sv | Their business model is dead. 
They just don't want to believe it or move on to the future.
So they just keep doing the same thing over and over (suing) and failing.
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They just might. They keep settling out of court for $2500 or so but that does not recoup their legal fees, so for every case they have they end up loosing money. The record companies are getting tighter on cash as CD sales keep falling and since the RIAA isn't doing much for them I suspect to see some more record companies drop their membership.
All the major record companies have now opened up their libraries to non-DRM sales. Now it's up to us, the consumer, to start buying music.
First we said CDs are overpriced, sell them online cheap, so they did. Then we said DRM sucks, sell your music DRM free, so they did. I hope to see less pirating and more purchasing.
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 PhoenixDown-- Wants FIOSPremium
join:2003-06-08
Fresh Meadows, NY
kudos:1 | I think the moment of opportunity passed...
People want cheap and easy access to music and when the music companies failed to deliver, they turned to file sharing.
So instead of asking people to go from a $14 - $20 CD to a $10 - $15 DRM Free MP3 album, you are now asking them to go from FREE to a a $15 DRM free MP3 album and most people will balk at it.
Convenience will be the deciding factor - if the music companies make the albums cheaper and easy to buy, then they will sway more people away from piracy but giving us what we already asked for, and found, is not going to be enough at this point. |
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And look at ITUNES it's one of the most popular and lucrative pay per mp3 sites around. There are others of course, that do just fine and dandy. Simply because not everyone buys them, doesn't mean many haven't followed the legal path. Therefore, you make a broad generalization that assumes this man is in the majority. I can't say if that's true or not as there has been no research done to show how many people buy vs pirate. Still, these 99 cent mp3 stores must be doing damn well. They are still in business aren't they? Itunes seems to be making record profits, too. |
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 Doctor FourMy other vehicle is a TARDISPremium
join:2000-09-05
Dallas, TX | reply to ztmike
At least one of the Big 4 (EMI) has said they are going
to sever all ties with the RIAA and their international
equivalent, the IFPI (International Federation of the
Phonographic Industry).
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 CabalPremium
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Austin, TX
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I hate to bring facts into this discussion, but...
The guy took CDs he bought. He ripped them to mp3. He then loaded those mp3s into some file-sharing program for the purpose of distributing them. End of story.
Is the EFF really trying to say that it's ok to try to commit copyright infringement, but only wrong if you get caught completing it?
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Cogdis
join:2007-03-26
Floral Park, NY | reply to PhoenixDown
said by PhoenixDown:Convenience will be the deciding factor - if the music companies make the albums cheaper and easy to buy, then they will sway more people away from piracy Amazon has an mp3 store thats cheap and drm free (89 cents for some songs and I just bought an album for $8.99). I like to just search, click and download so that's what I'll be using from now on. If I can't find it there then I won't buy it. |
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No, the RIAA is trying to say that by DOING it, he committed a crime. THERE IS NO CRIME IF NO-ONE DOWNLOADS IT. That is what the EFF is saying.
The RIAA DIDN'T download any songs from him, they just got a list of songs. He OWNED the SONGS. If the RIAA had gotten PROOF that other people were downloading, then they would have a case. As it is, they are attempting to argue the mere FACT that he ripped the songs to his hard drive, he committed a crime. No proof of downloads, no foul. Simple as that.
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 tcp1Premium
join:2000-04-17
Herndon, VA
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said by Cabal:I hate to bring facts into this discussion, but... The guy took CDs he bought. He ripped them to mp3. He then loaded those mp3s into some file-sharing program for the purpose of distributing them. End of story. You do know just because you say "end of story" it doesn't actually mean that's the end of the story, right?
said by Cabal:Is the EFF really trying to say that it's ok to try to commit copyright infringement, but only wrong if you get caught completing it? No, but in our legal system, that is the only way you can be prosecuted for it. You know, with actual evidence. |
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said by Cabal:I hate to bring facts into this discussion, but... The guy took CDs he bought. He ripped them to mp3. He then loaded those mp3s into some file-sharing program for the purpose of distributing them. End of story. Is the EFF really trying to say that it's ok to try to commit copyright infringement, but only wrong if you get caught completing it? Right you are. The story was mis-reported.
However there is a discussion over at EFF in regards to ripping CDs you legally own.
»www.eff.org/deeplinks/2008/01/ar···d-or-not |
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said by tcp1:said by Cabal:I hate to bring facts into this discussion, but... The guy took CDs he bought. He ripped them to mp3. He then loaded those mp3s into some file-sharing program for the purpose of distributing them. End of story. You do know just because you say "end of story" it doesn't actually mean that's the end of the story, right? said by Cabal:Is the EFF really trying to say that it's ok to try to commit copyright infringement, but only wrong if you get caught completing it? No, but in our legal system, that is the only way you can be prosecuted for it. You know, with actual evidence. You don't have to commit a crime to be accused of it. Kids are arrested and prosecuted for "hit lists" in schools. If you posses a bunch of materials to make a bomb, you could be prosecuted for a terrorism attack. If you own guns, ski masks, and pictures of a bank you could be tried for attempted bank robbery. The term attempted murder mean anything? Planning to kill a person can have the same sentence as actually killing a person, you know.
There are many examples in criminal law of people punished for not committing a crime. In this case, the guy attempted to violate copyright law.
I don't like the RIAA, but to act like this guy is innocent is a joke. If he is smart enough to rip CDs, he knew what he was doing.
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempt
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 DownTheShoreTag, you're itPremium
join:2003-12-02
Beautiful NJ
kudos:11
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said by texans20:All the major record companies have now opened up their libraries to non-DRM sales. Now it's up to us, the consumer, to start buying music. First we said CDs are overpriced, sell them online cheap, so they did. Then we said DRM sucks, sell your music DRM free, so they did. I hope to see less pirating and more purchasing. I've always bought CD's in the past, but I've slacked off in recent years because of the costs, and frankly because my rule of thumb for LP's and CD's has always been that there have to be at least three songs on the disc (whatever its shape) that I want to have. That hasn't happened much lately - too many one-hit wonders out there now or albums of songs that all sound basically the same.
I've bought from iTunes, but they annoy me with their rules. I've started buying DRM-free MP3 downloads from Amazon instead. It's cheaper than buying the CD, no gasoline costs getting to the store, I can burn the music as I like, and I get the immediate gratification of having the music and not worrying about the damn RIAA.
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said by Cabal:I hate to bring facts into this discussion, but... The guy took CDs he bought. He ripped them to mp3. He then loaded those mp3s into some file-sharing program for the purpose of distributing them. End of story. Is the EFF really trying to say that it's ok to try to commit copyright infringement, but only wrong if you get caught completing it? And here are some more facts for you.
Part of what the RIAA is saying that the mere act of converting an audio CD to MP3 format is illegal irregardless of whether or not he shares it. That is the main part of the argument.
In essence, it would make nearly every single MP3 player, including iPods, illegal unless all your music was bought online. |
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 dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
kudos:4 | reply to Cabal
said by Cabal:The guy took CDs he bought. He ripped them to mp3. He then loaded those mp3s into some file-sharing program for the purpose of distributing them. End of story. Actually they were in the \shared docs folder. that isn't the same as a sharing folder in kazaa.
only way they could have been accessed by the outside is the file sharing ports and every isp blocks those.
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| said by dvd536:said by Cabal:The guy took CDs he bought. He ripped them to mp3. He then loaded those mp3s into some file-sharing program for the purpose of distributing them. End of story. Actually they were in the \shared docs folder. that isn't the same as a sharing folder in kazaa. only way they could have been accessed by the outside is the file sharing ports and every isp blocks those. Well then how did the RIAA find out he was sharing music?
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 ff1324Everybody Goes HomePremium
join:2002-08-24
On Four Day
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said by texans20:You don't have to commit a crime to be accused of it. Kids are arrested and prosecuted for "hit lists" in schools. If you posses a bunch of materials to make a bomb, you could be prosecuted for a terrorism attack. If you own guns, ski masks, and pictures of a bank you could be tried for attempted bank robbery. The term attempted murder mean anything? Planning to kill a person can have the same sentence as actually killing a person, you know. There are many examples in criminal law of people punished for not committing a crime. In this case, the guy attempted to violate copyright law. I don't like the RIAA, but to act like this guy is innocent is a joke. If he is smart enough to rip CDs, he knew what he was doing. » en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempt What should he be charged with in a criminal court? Possession of music? Does having a computer, MP3 files, an internet connection, CD's, and a file sharing program demonstrate that you are intending to infringe on someone's copyright?
If that's the case, lock me up. I got it all. I don't share music nor do I download music. But I meet your litmus test for handing over my life's savings to the RIAA.
Please, don't ever run for congress.
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I could be wrong, and maybe i am, but i thought that some sharing programs before would auto scan for music or whatever for your share folder, or atleast ask you where you kept it, and then used whatever was in there to share by default? |
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one other thang here is just becuse a file is in your shared folder dont meen it was shared he could have just been useing it a play list editor and even then did he have the app setup for that folder ? .... the fact it was in a shared folder meens nothing becuse you can have shared folders that no one can get to heh |
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 gaforcesUnited We Stand, Divided We Fall
join:2002-04-07
Santa Cruz, CA | reply to moonpuppy
I prefer lossless audio files when I rip my Cd's.
In the future, I plan on putting all my media files on a network drive so I can access them from my LAN.
AFAIK I am not infringing and will not be as long as I don't make them available from the WAN for anybody but myself.
The EFF is right on this one, they have to have proven infringement to prosecute the guy.
The RIAA could have just gotten hold of a file list which are common on servers, that doesn't mean you can actually download them.
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