http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cue-the-USA-Sucks-Whining-19797579 en Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:22:32 EDT Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:22:32 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cue-the-USA-Sucks-Whining-19813319
Multicasting the channel on ip is what cable co's want to use. Holding it at the edge is a buzz statement to try and solve a problem. This is a half assed attempt.

Iptv can only be streamed to 1 device at a time. If you have channel 100 streaming it takes another stream to hit me doubling the bandwidth used at the point of aggregation to the user. If we are on the same node we wasted a stream thus we wasted bandwidth that could be used by yet another victim of iptv. Multicasting avoids this. it lets the 2nd user pick up the stream as long as it's being broadcast already. IPtv as it stand does not allow this. It's actually considered a big security issue.

Cable multicasting is nothing new. What is new is they had the sense to see that they have to try and hold back unused channels. However just ask those folks in the beta regions. They are getting black screens with some cryptic messages on them. They did not plan on so many people wanting different channels.

Right now it's not ready for prime time. 1 way communications benefit from multicasting , it's just the way it is for now.
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"It's always funny until someone gets hurt......and then it's absolutely friggin' hysterical!"]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cue-the-USA-Sucks-Whining-19813319 Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:27:28 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cue-the-USA-Sucks-Whining-19809887 said by BosstonesOwn:

iptv is very inefficient. Multicasting is so much less difficult. And so much more sensible. Not to mention cheaper.

It's actually worse , it takes more resources to accomplish the same thing, which is a waste in general.
How do you figure? IPTV is capable of holding unused channels at the edge router. That results in less information to your TV. You have to think, there is less equipment involved in the end. Instead of occupying all that space multicasting hundreds of channels, you only stream the ones you use. So I am not understanding how IPTV is less efficent, you aren't wasting space that could be used for something else like, oh, faster internet... Now TELCO IPTV, if done with VDSL is too much equipment, but through cable, it's a viable option with the HD revolution, and the speed increases being done to internet connections. You never know, cable could bring in IPTV here and make a new cable modem standard allowing a little more competition with fiber service. I know there is things that can be done to give fiber more room too, but if you are talking about efficiency, then you can't beat IPTV... But oh well.
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WE were OH so close here.... We started down that path... and providers were starting to buildout their own networks... but our Government backed off protecting the fledglings from the ravages of the ILEC's and gave up on local loop unbundling-- that, combined with the dot com crash, and boom all the startups (A few barely hanging on, IE Covad) went under, and we reap the rewards today-- only a few choices, no options, and high prices.

It's sad. With just a little more leadership from the Administration and the FCC we'd be right where the French are now-- hell, we'd be better off, IMHO because we started first and because we have many content producers here.

Oh so close... but we dropped the ball.

We could have it, down the road, but it requires action and leadership now.... and it would require forcing the existing players, at least for a time, to allow access to their networks... and you know they'd fight that every step of the way... but if the Government or FCC held firm, down the road, say 10 years, the payoff would be clear--- competition. Choices. State of the art networks. Sadly, I think it's very unlikely to happen... no matter which party is in control.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cue-the-USA-Sucks-Whining-19809541 Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:42:37 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cue-the-USA-Sucks-Whining-19805770 said by ackman:

It's called competition, dimwit.
Learn to read, please. Do you think the average customer cares how his/her TV service is delivered?
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Only SHATNER is Kirk.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cue-the-USA-Sucks-Whining-19805770 Tue, 15 Jan 2008 13:15:03 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cue-the-USA-Sucks-Whining-19805497 said by pnh102:

Personally, I don't see what additional benefit one gets using IPTV versus another technology. If traditional cable TV or satellite TV delivers the same channels and same picture and sound quality, then what is the point of IPTV?
It's called competition, dimwit.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cue-the-USA-Sucks-Whining-19805497 Tue, 15 Jan 2008 12:43:42 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cue-the-USA-Sucks-Whining-19804358 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cue-the-USA-Sucks-Whining-19804358 Tue, 15 Jan 2008 09:26:43 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cue-the-USA-Sucks-Whining-19803627 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cue-the-USA-Sucks-Whining-19803627 Tue, 15 Jan 2008 03:45:32 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cue-the-USA-Sucks-Whining-19802498
It's actually worse , it takes more resources to accomplish the same thing, which is a waste in general.
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"It's always funny until someone gets hurt......and then it's absolutely friggin' hysterical!"]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cue-the-USA-Sucks-Whining-19802498 Mon, 14 Jan 2008 22:40:28 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cue-the-USA-Sucks-Whining-19799690 said by pnh102:

Personally, I don't see what additional benefit one gets using IPTV versus another technology. If traditional cable TV or satellite TV delivers the same channels and same picture and sound quality, then what is the point of IPTV?
exactly. Fox Noise is the only channel needed.
Any on demand niche research report type programs are completely unnecessary.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cue-the-USA-Sucks-Whining-19799690 Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:15:48 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cue-the-USA-Sucks-Whining-19799643 said by BosstonesOwn:

Control ! Nothing more nothing less. While I agree with your sentiment about DRM, this is not something that cannot already be done with existing cable TV or satellite TV systems. IPTV is just another way of doing the same thing. It does not seem to be better or worse than what we have here now.
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Only SHATNER is Kirk.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cue-the-USA-Sucks-Whining-19799643 Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:12:05 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cue-the-USA-Sucks-Whining-19798916 said by pnh102:

Personally, I don't see what additional benefit one gets using IPTV versus another technology. If traditional cable TV or satellite TV delivers the same channels and same picture and sound quality, then what is the point of IPTV?
Control ! Nothing more nothing less.

The content providers load up the DRM so no one who isn't paying can see it. They despise the idea of free content , like ota tv. Even on an ip based system they fear some one seeing something they don't pay for. And iptv gives them more assurance.

I'd have to find the article but there are plenty from the blu-ray CES expo that basically asked the content providers why they chose blu-ray and what they see in the future , they want full control over the media and the transport so you can't see something without paying. It relates to IPTV because it was one of the stumbling block MS had in the introduction of their iptv set up.

Thankfully companies like Sun avoided it all together by just providing the equipment, not the protection schemes.

These companies providing iptv want a piece of the content pie. Which I feel is disgusting , provide me a bigger pipe to my world , which is the web , I will find my own content.
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"It's always funny until someone gets hurt......and then it's absolutely friggin' hysterical!"]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cue-the-USA-Sucks-Whining-19798916 Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:34:48 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cue-the-USA-Sucks-Whining-19798791 said by pnh102:

Personally, I don't see what additional benefit one gets using IPTV versus another technology. If traditional cable TV or satellite TV delivers the same channels and same picture and sound quality, then what is the point of IPTV?
It gives people on this site one more thing to bitch about. No really, thats it!
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с новым годом]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cue-the-USA-Sucks-Whining-19798791 Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:17:11 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cue-the-USA-Sucks-Whining-19798635 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cue-the-USA-Sucks-Whining-19798635 Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:54:26 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cue-the-USA-Sucks-Whining-19798559
I bargin shopped and got the best deal I could get (and I'm on some introductory pricing, it goes up later) and I'm paying $125 for TV, Phone, Broadband. And not the top end options either. So $45 sounds damn good to me.
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"Regulatory capitalism is when companies invest in lawyers, lobbyists, and politicians, instead of plant, people, and customer service." - former FCC Chairman William Kennard (A real FCC Chairman, unlike the current Corporate Spokesperson in the job!)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cue-the-USA-Sucks-Whining-19798559 Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:43:13 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cue-the-USA-Sucks-Whining-19798480 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cue-the-USA-Sucks-Whining-19798480 Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:31:57 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cue-the-USA-Sucks-Whining-19798425 --
Only SHATNER is Kirk.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cue-the-USA-Sucks-Whining-19798425 Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:24:59 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cue-the-USA-Sucks-Whining-19798325
Whining? Hardly. Legitimate issue? I think so...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cue-the-USA-Sucks-Whining-19798325 Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:11:47 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cue-the-USA-Sucks-Whining-19798256
The content providers control in the us will destroy the delivery systems soon.

Thank god for toshiba dropping hd player costs yet again , to really hit the point home that the content providers chose the wrong format and the people should be proving what format we want. Not the content providers telling us what we want.
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"It's always funny until someone gets hurt......and then it's absolutely friggin' hysterical!"]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cue-the-USA-Sucks-Whining-19798256 Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:01:56 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cue-the-USA-Sucks-Whining-19797677 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Cue-the-USA-Sucks-Whining-19797677 Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:30:10 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Cue-the-USA-Sucks-Whining-19797579 quote:

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U.S. again fails to make the list, though AT&T is trying....

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Off we go!

BTW - We've heard a lot of not-so-good things about AT&T's IPTV service, specifically regarding limitations on HDTV. I don't know if they have resolved these now, but if they haven't, would we really want to embrace this technology?
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Only SHATNER is Kirk.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Cue-the-USA-Sucks-Whining-19797579 Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:11:04 EDT