Cabal
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| Stop misusing "Net Neutrality"
Net Neutrality refers to ISPs double dipping on charging/extorting fees for both users paying for their connections and web sites paying for prioritization of traffic according to origination and destination. It does not refer to protocol-based QoS. It does not mean a flat, unmanaged, unQoS-ed Internet. By repeatedly and deliberately misusing this phrase, its importance is being weakened.
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| said by Cabal  :Net Neutrality refers to ISPs double dipping on charging/extorting fees for both users paying for their connections and web sites paying for prioritization of traffic according to origination and destination. It does not refer to protocol-based QoS. It does not mean a flat, unmanaged, unQoS-ed Internet. By repeatedly and deliberately misusing this phrase, its importance is being weakened. I agree. Bittorent has a bad reputation as a bandwidth hog and illegal downloads. Instead, buy your music, buy your porn, and buy your movies. Would you really need Bittorent if you did that? Nope.
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openbox9
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But that definition of net neutrality doesn't help all of the whiners that want to use their 20/2 connections full-bore, 24/7/367.
BTW, Comcast will be allowed to continue this practice of managing their network. The only thing that may change is that they may be required to actually state what they're doing and managing, but that's a long shot IMO. Honestly, I think the government and consumers would be better served by going after advertising practices of some of these ISPs rather than trying to force lack of network management down business' throats. |
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hopeflicker
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This is good news!
Even if the Comcast is not found breaking any rules that the FCC has set forth, then at the very least it shows the public the unethical practices Comcast preforms.
spread the word!
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Advertising practices eh? Noooo, that's crazy talk. The tel/cable-cos are nothing but straightforward. Better to have a grand FCC "inquiry" into something that cannot be regulated!!! That's progress.
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You bet.
I end up using BitTorrent on colocated servers which I operate to update the virtual machines installs of CentOS.
The only quick way to download a CentOS DVD is via BT. The other providers would take hours / days for a download. With BT, I can max out my servers 100 MBPS line while performing the download.
There, a legit purpose for the usage of BT. Anything else supergirl? |
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gaforces
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said by supergirl :said by Cabal :Net Neutrality refers to ISPs double dipping on charging/extorting fees for both users paying for their connections and web sites paying for prioritization of traffic according to origination and destination. It does not refer to protocol-based QoS. It does not mean a flat, unmanaged, unQoS-ed Internet. By repeatedly and deliberately misusing this phrase, its importance is being weakened. I agree. Bittorent has a bad reputation as a bandwidth hog and illegal downloads. Instead, buy your music, buy your porn, and buy your movies. Would you really need Bittorent if you did that? Nope. Bit torrent went legit several years ago, with legal downloads and many many licensed corporate customers.
The start-ups using the technology are able to profit from advertising and selling products and services, and not greedy triple and double dipping into our wallets like some company's ...
I buy my media and get some for watching advertising, and yes, I need bit torrent.
Just because we have a government that permits this network abuse/blocking ATM, doesn't mean it will last ...
Using a loophole to patch up faults in a network architecture, or instead of expanding infrastructure is IMO fraudulent to those networks customers and contrary to the whole reason we have network neutrality. They are using it to prop up their business artificially. I consider a network architecture faulty if 2 persons could degrade the connections of thousands ... also if everyone else in the country/world is able to have far more capability's without resorting to this chicanery or half-hearted attempts at upgrade.
I bet as soon as the merger conditions (2 years agreed to follow network neutrality) are met, or comcast wins this, ATT will also be doing this to prop up their failing antient copper. Filtering and blocking/forging packets are just more numbers for the bean counters, it artificially inflates the amount of traffic of customers they can transport.
History 1860
“ ...messages received from any individual, company, or corporation, or from any telegraph lines connecting with this line at either of its termini, shall be impartially transmitted in the order of their reception, excepting that the dispatches of the government shall have priority. ”
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_ne···#History
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said by supergirl :I agree. Bittorent has a bad reputation as a bandwidth hog and illegal downloads. Instead, buy your music, buy your porn, and buy your movies. Would you really need Bittorent if you did that? Nope. awesome! I didn't know we had a user on the forum that is qualified to tell us which applications are OK and which are "bad". I really hate wondering if some application I am using is "bad" or "good" - I don't want to be using something if it's "bad".
just as a side note, you might want to know the MPAA has been known to use BT to distribute files; you should let them know they are using "bad" software. |
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Transmaster
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| reply to supergirl
= supergirl ] Would you really need Bittorent if you did that? Nope.
I use bit-torrent in order to watch Documentary programing from England, most notably Time Team which is unavailable in any form Stateside. In fact Channel4 which airs Time Team refers people bit-torrent sites to view programs they have missed the site I use is very careful to pull any such program when it becomes available on DVD.
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| said by Transmaster := supergirl ] Would you really need Bittorent if you did that? Nope. So you are telling me NASA which uses bit-torrent to disseminate some of it larger freeware app's doesn't need bit-torrent. I use bit-torrent in order to watch Documentary programing from England, most notably Time Team which is unavailable in any form Stateside. In fact Channel4 which airs Time Team refers people bit-torrent sites to view programs they have missed the site I use is very careful to pull any such program when it becomes available on DVD. So why don't they put money into upgrading their infastructure so they could stream it or just host it, rather than relying on everyone who uses bittorrent?
IMO, Bittorrent is used for legal stuff, it just makes it so anyone can bypass the costs of hosting their own stuff. They just put it on the backs of the providers. |
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bahcomcast
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To add to this point:
Big Media control the traditional channels of distribution. You can't just put out a movie and have it stocked on the shelves. This is a Barrier to entry that the MPAA and RIAA want to keep. It keeps young independent and creative minds out of "their" space.
What comcast is doing is helping to prevent young upstarts from having access to the global consumer market and forcing them to go through traditional oligopoly channels. |
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Craziness
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Wow updates? ISO downloads? Other valid downloads? No, we don't need those.... |
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supergirl
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said by nasadude :said by supergirl :I agree. Bittorent has a bad reputation as a bandwidth hog and illegal downloads. Instead, buy your music, buy your porn, and buy your movies. Would you really need Bittorent if you did that? Nope. awesome! I didn't know we had a user on the forum that is qualified to tell us which applications are OK and which are "bad". I really hate wondering if some application I am using is "bad" or "good" - I don't want to be using something if it's "bad". just as a side note, you might want to know the MPAA has been known to use BT to distribute files; you should let them know they are using "bad" software. Bittorent has a "bad reputation" I typed. I've read that here and other places. I've looked at torrents--never found a legal file. It might be getting better but still has the stigma of illegal downloading/sharing all over it.
As far as CentOS, don't see any Bittorent download links there. »www.redhat.com/f/pdf/corp/trademark1.pdf
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hopeflicker
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| links at bottom
»isoredirect.centos.org/centos/4/isos/i386/
»dag.wieers.com/rpm/packages/bittorrent/
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| reply to supergirl
said by supergirl :said by Cabal :Net Neutrality refers to ISPs double dipping on charging/extorting fees for both users paying for their connections and web sites paying for prioritization of traffic according to origination and destination. It does not refer to protocol-based QoS. It does not mean a flat, unmanaged, unQoS-ed Internet. By repeatedly and deliberately misusing this phrase, its importance is being weakened. I agree. Bittorent has a bad reputation as a bandwidth hog and illegal downloads. Instead, buy your music, buy your porn, and buy your movies. Would you really need Bittorent if you did that? Nope. Some people use BT for LEGAL stuff like downloading shows of there favorite bands Like Dave Matthews Band and some others. who are YOU to say THIS? |
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dot_null
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January 15th, @05:32PM
| reply to supergirl
said by supergirl :I've looked at torrents--never found a legal file. »www.legittorrents.info/
»www.publicdomaintorrents.com/
»www.legaltorrents.com/ (currently in private beta)
Not necessarily directed at you: Bittorrent is just a protocol, it isn't a centralized network like "Kazaa". The content on each individual tracker varies depending on who runs it.
Should we block (excuse me, delay) all port 80 traffic just because there are a few sites out there which serve up pirated content via HTTP? No, that would be absurd! The same premise applies with BitTorrent. |
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| said by dot_null :Should we block (excuse me, delay) all port 80 traffic just because there are a few sites out there which serve up pirated content via HTTP? No, that would be absurd! The same premise applies with BitTorrent. I don't agree with blocking BitTorrent per-say, but that argument isn't really valid. If you were to apply the 80/20 rule to http and BitTorrent traffic, the 80% in http would be legal. I don't think anyone is foolish enough to make the same argument for BitTorrent. |
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jwalker1196
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January 15th, @07:38PM
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I've looked at torrents--never found a legal file.
WTF?
OpenOffice.org and a whole load of open-source software is distributed via torrents because it is an efficient use of bandwidth! BitTorrent is a brilliant way of taking the load off of servers which need to disseminate alot of content quickly but don't always have the resources for that kind of bandwidth. Meanwhile we have bandwidth unused. It's a great idea. Just because alot of ppl do illegal things with a technology does not make the technology bad. Where do you stand on gun control, I wonder? Are you one of the "if guns didn't exist we wouldn't have crime" people?
My corporation uses torrents to distribute software updates to all our workers, and we all get the updates the same day using bandwidth much more efficiently than if it came off a server.
Hell, even the RIAA and MPAA "leaks" things as part of viral marketing campaigns. Saying legal torrents can't be found is nuts. |
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dot_null
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said by espaeth :I don't agree with blocking BitTorrent per-say, but that argument isn't really valid. If you were to apply the 80/20 rule to http and BitTorrent traffic, the 80% in http would be legal. I don't think anyone is foolish enough to make the same argument for BitTorrent. I am not making the argument that the majority of content transferred via the BitTorrent protocol is legitimate. My point is that infringing content could just as easily be transferred via SMTP/FTP/SFTP/HTTP as it could be over BitTorrent. You could just as easily set up a FTP server to transfer pirated content as you could a BitTorrent tracker.
At the end of the day it's still another protocol, just like SFTP, FTP, HTTP, etc. Just another tool (protocol, in this case) that can be used for good or bad. Like a knife, for example. A knife could be used to make a sandwich or to kill someone. BitTorrent is quite similar in that respect, it can be used to distribute legal content or pirated content.
Much the same way we don't prevent the sale of knives on the off chance they may be used to murder someone, Comcast shouldn't impede BitTorrent traffic just because the potential exists for copyrighted material to be transferred.
That's all I'm saying. In my opinion, Comcast should just provide a dumb pipe and that's it. No deep packet inspection, no blocking, no purposeful delaying of traffic. Just a basic connection to the world. Nothing more, nothing less. |
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said by supergirl :Bittorent has a bad reputation as a bandwidth hog and illegal downloads. Instead, buy your music, buy your porn, and buy your movies. Would you really need Bittorent if you did that? Nope. And we ALL could read our E-Mail at "Blazing" fast speeds.
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