mrschwarz
join:2001-12-01
Flower Mound, TX
 ·Vonage
| reply to hottboiinnc
Re: in the back pocket
said by hottboiinnc  :Here when you ask; Taxes and Fees depend on region. We can't give you that price only a rough idea. Even with AT&T, VZ and everyone else. TWC is the only one that has is usually close. Their billing department doesn't seem to have a problem calculating the fees. Why should the sales rep? If they give that answer, ask again. |
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DonLibes
Premium,ExMod 2001
join:2003-01-19
| reply to dcurrey
said by dcurrey :True they would move them to base price. But the thing is this. When Sprint, Verizion or T-mobile advertise a $59.99 they all would end up being the same price after taxes since you should always pay the same tax no matter what company you use. Right now a $59 plan could add $5 to $10 depending on what the companies bogus fees are. It would make it easier to compare rates. This is what they don't want. We shouldn't need new laws to fix this. This clearly is false advertising. True but it would be very easy to come up with new ways that are not technically false advertising but are misleading nonetheless. For example, consider a broadplan advertised at $10/month but which rises to $50/month for the year if any calls are made to the support line. All the company has to do is screw up your service once and they'll guarantee themselves the $50/month charge. Doesn't even matter if the company doesn't do it intentionally. The number of customers that make no calls to a support line for broadband for a year has got to be close to zero. |
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supergirl
join:2007-03-20
Pensacola, FL
·Cox VOIP
·Skype
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 ·AT&T Southeast
·magicjack.com
| reply to TKJunkMail
said by TKJunkMail :said by jjeffeory :Yes, the fees are hidden. You don't know what they are until after you're charged. That seems pretty hidden to me. All you have to do is ask the rep when ordering. They will give you what % the unfees come to. Funny, Bellsouth claimed the "hurricane cost recovery fee" was a tax. It wasn't. It was a tariff that went directly to them.
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
Premium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK
·AT&T Yahoo
·AT&T DSL Service
·Cox HSI
| reply to TKJunkMail
said by TKJunkMail :All you have to do is ask the rep when ordering. Bold emphasis added by me. See, that's the problem. You have to be actually ordering the service to find out. They aren't clearly known up front for comparison shopping purposes (like surfing the web, or the advertised rates.) Sure, when you're 85% of the way into signing the contract, you might be able to find out then, maybe... but there's nothing to stop it from increasing immediately, either. It's too much hassle. Up-front pricing, yes please.
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH | reply to TKJunkMail
Here when you ask; Taxes and Fees depend on region. We can't give you that price only a rough idea. Even with AT&T, VZ and everyone else. TWC is the only one that has is usually close. |
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
Premium
join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
 ·Sprint Mobile Broa..
·Comcast
| reply to jjeffeory
said by jjeffeory :Yes, the fees are hidden. You don't know what they are until after you're charged. That seems pretty hidden to me. All you have to do is ask the rep when ordering. They will give you what % the unfees come to.
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jjeffeory
join:2002-12-04
USA | reply to TKJunkMail
Yes, the fees are hidden. You don't know what they are until after you're charged. That seems pretty hidden to me. |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
·Time Warner Cable
·buckeye cable
| reply to dcurrey
I've never had that problem with TM. My problem was them cheating me out of minutes. Claimed i used all my 300 all the time. Moved providers problem went away. All of the fees that were on the bottom line after their rate were taxes in Ohio and the Feds. $5 worth which i never had with Sprint. With them it was also $9.00 plus some per month extra. |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
Premium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
| reply to TKJunkMail
said by TKJunkMail :And are the fees really "hidden" when EVERYBODY knows about them. I agree it would be better to do this differently, but like you I agree it wouldn't change the price of the service at all. That is the problem, most of these fees, and particularly the dollar amounts, are not known when one first signs up. Most people would not have a problem paying slightly higher prices if the price included the costs of all the fees (regardless of breakdown). The only "on top" fees would be government-imposed taxes.
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hopeflicker
Capitalism breeds greed
Premium
join:2003-04-03
Long Beach, CA
1 edit | reply to TKJunkMail
said by TKJunkMail :said by shaner :I think the argument that 'Americans lose $45 Billion to hidden fees' is specious. If below the line charges were outlawed, I'm positive those fees would just move above the line to be added to the monthly advertised price. Companies aren't going to lose revenue simply because there's a law in place. I agree its a shitty practice. I would like to see the European model duplicated here which requires all taxes and fees to be included in any advertised or shelf price. And are the fees really "hidden" when EVERYBODY knows about them. I agree it would be better to do this differently, but like you I agree it wouldn't change the price of the service at all. It would be nice to know how much your monthly bill will be when you first order service.
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TKJunkMail
Enjoy the sun
Premium
join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
·Sprint Mobile Broa..
·Comcast
| reply to shaner
said by shaner :I think the argument that 'Americans lose $45 Billion to hidden fees' is specious. If below the line charges were outlawed, I'm positive those fees would just move above the line to be added to the monthly advertised price. Companies aren't going to lose revenue simply because there's a law in place. I agree its a shitty practice. I would like to see the European model duplicated here which requires all taxes and fees to be included in any advertised or shelf price. And are the fees really "hidden" when EVERYBODY knows about them. I agree it would be better to do this differently, but like you I agree it wouldn't change the price of the service at all.
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
·DSL EXTREME
| reply to shaner
said by shaner :I'm positive those fees would just move above the line to be added to the monthly advertised price. How often do you see a 'hidden fee' added, and the price of the service dropped ?
Eg. Service 'was' $24.95
Now $24.95 + $2.00 'fee'.
With your logic, the price should now be $22.95 + $2.00 fee.
Instead, the overall service has just increased by $2.00. in this case.
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dcurrey
Premium
join:2004-06-29
·ViaTalk
2 edits | reply to shaner
True they would move them to base price. But the thing is this. When Sprint, Verizion or T-mobile advertise a $59.99 they all would end up being the same price after taxes since you should always pay the same tax no matter what company you use. Right now a $59 plan could add $5 to $10 depending on what the companies bogus fees are. It would make it easier to compare rates. This is what they don't want.
We shouldn't need new laws to fix this. This clearly is false advertising. |
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shaner
Premium
join:2000-10-04
Calgary, AB
| reply to hopeflicker
I think the argument that 'Americans lose $45 Billion to hidden fees' is specious. If below the line charges were outlawed, I'm positive those fees would just move above the line to be added to the monthly advertised price. Companies aren't going to lose revenue simply because there's a law in place.
I agree its a shitty practise. I would like to see the European model duplicated here which requires all taxes and fees to be included in any advertised or shelf price.
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