Re: Once Again - Government Holds Us Back in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r19814955 en Fri, 21 Nov 2008 05:23:09 EDT Fri, 21 Nov 2008 05:23:09 EDT Re: Once Again - Government Holds Us Back http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19820931 JTRockville : It is good for the folks who would never get service if the incumbent is allowed to harvest all the low-hanging fruit then abandon the field. The community is saying: it's all or nothing.

We all know Verizon will eventually agree to covering their entire footprint since the low-hanging fruit is mighty attractive - so it's just a matter of time.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19820931 Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:59:56 EDT Re: Once Again - Government Holds Us Back http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19818208 pnh102 :
said by nasadude See Profile :

to me looks more like a shining example of elected officials looking out for their constituents.
How is blocking the deployment of another choice in TV and/or Internet good for anyone?
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said by patcat88 See Profile :

There is no question about public property. Verizon has public access through being a ILEC/Baby Bell. Its FIOS equipment CAN NOT BE REGULATED by the govt.
Then the government isn't holding anything up, are they?

said by patcat88 See Profile :

Well at the rate this negotiation is going, prepare to wait 5 years for FIOS.
As you stated above, the government isn't stopping Verizon from deploying fiber wherever they like - under their existing agreement.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19815523 Wed, 16 Jan 2008 19:03:22 EDT Re: Once Again - Corporation Holds Us Back http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19815516 KCrimson :
said by gaforces See Profile :

When you have a company that says "We will give you service on our terms with our rules, or forget it" it would be hard to work with them if you are representing the people who want the service.
Sounds like they need to open up the bidding process for other's who can do it just as well ... it's a global marketplace you know.
It would be better to have none, for now, than something that doesn't meet their needs. Especially since they abandoned northeast coast already ...
15 year contract is way too long to lock into any technology because 5 years from now, things will change.
This isn't about deployment, its about FiOSTV. I'm already a FiOS customer in NYC. The only contract that needs to get done is the TV franchise contract. The politicians are doing what they do best - "acting" in their own interests. Since Verizon has been deploying slowly there are lots of politicians whose constituents are getting impatient. Also, many of the politicians represent low income areas that will see low-penetration of FiOS customers and those politicians have no reason NOT to make a big fuss while making a name for themselves on the city council stage. It all makes for a difficult arena for Verizon to get its business done, and the reason why the Bloomberg administration - no strangers to high-level-corporate-negotiations tried to get the deal fast-tracked before the circus comes to town.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19815516 Wed, 16 Jan 2008 19:02:23 EDT Re: Once Again - Government Holds Us Back http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19815022 patcat88 :
said by rit56 See Profile :

there's to much money at stake and they would never walk away from New York and you know it. aside from the cash they would loose, long term, the public relations nightmare that would come will hurt Verizon. they have to have a significant presence in new York otherwise they will look terrible. not offer their premier service in the media capital of the United States? are you kidding? they will never ever leave the table. they are hardly in a position to dictate terms. for them to not offer FIOS in New York City will be the worst possible outcome for Verizon.
Nobody will know NYC doesn't have FIOS, if Verizon doesn't advertise FIOS in NYC, nobody will know or care. Anyone who hears about it from LI/suburban family and friends, will be manipulated into Verizon DSL and Directv. Its not like Verizon makes maps of availability to the public.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19815022 Wed, 16 Jan 2008 17:38:46 EDT Re: Once Again - Government Holds Us Back http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19814997 patcat88 : Well at the rate this negotiation is going, prepare to wait 5 years for FIOS. Perhaps a 10% every year of NYC population must be added to FIOS, excluding MDUs with non-cooperating landlords, rather than 12345, 12346, 12743, 12483 must be wired by 05/12, 12764, 12749, 12223, 12764 must be wired by 09/12, etc.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19814997 Wed, 16 Jan 2008 17:35:23 EDT Re: Once Again - Government Holds Us Back http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19814955 patcat88 :
said by JTRockville See Profile :

Nothing would stop Verizon from deploying right now, if they owned their own property.

But since they want to install equipment on public property, they have to commit to serving the public interest.
There is no question about public property. Verizon has public access through being a ILEC/Baby Bell. Its FIOS equipment CAN NOT BE REGULATED by the govt. NO franchise agreement can regulated placement of any components except the set top boxes, since all other elements of FIOS have non-TV uses (internet/phone). The state PUC would have to change the law to regulate FIOS, and if it did, the FCC would strike it down instantly, the FCC promised that next gen broadband/telco tv infrastructure will not be regulated by the FCC (and therefore any state or local govt), otherwise Verizon and ATT would have never built any of it, it it had to resell it to CLECs.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19814955 Wed, 16 Jan 2008 17:30:17 EDT Re: Once Again - Corporation Holds Us Back http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19814935 patcat88 :
said by gaforces See Profile :

Sounds like they need to open up the bidding process for other's who can do it just as well ... it's a global marketplace you know.
They did, 3 bankruptcies later and only 1/5th of 1 borough was ever wired. Its called RCN.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19814935 Wed, 16 Jan 2008 17:26:26 EDT Re: Once Again - Government Holds Us Back http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19813792 rit56 : there's to much money at stake and they would never walk away from New York and you know it. aside from the cash they would loose, long term, the public relations nightmare that would come will hurt Verizon. they have to have a significant presence in new York otherwise they will look terrible. not offer their premier service in the media capital of the United States? are you kidding? they will never ever leave the table. they are hardly in a position to dictate terms. for them to not offer FIOS in New York City will be the worst possible outcome for Verizon. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19813792 Wed, 16 Jan 2008 14:38:45 EDT Re: Once Again - Corporation Holds Us Back http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19813785 Richard B : The you end up with nothing.
Verizon is more than capable in doing the job. The problem is politics. all the bidding process will do is to inject more political corruption than serving the customers needs. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19813785 Wed, 16 Jan 2008 14:37:50 EDT Re: Once Again - Government Holds Us Back http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19813745 rit56 : TK Junk Mail the mayor is a self made billionaire. You are a paid corporate employee who consistently posts here in support of big business. Read Julio's post. He is 100% right and you are wrong. You don't live in New York. The residents here want equal access. When they start to screw New Jersey and you are happy I won't post because you live there and apparently you don't care if your home state is a second rate state or as they say in my industry a secondary market. As long as your house is wired right? Screw everyone else...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19813745 Wed, 16 Jan 2008 14:31:11 EDT Re: Once Again - Government Holds Us Back http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19813645 wifi4milez :
said by sporkme See Profile :

As for redlining, VZ inexplicably built out the crappiest part of this town before going into the moneyed neighborhoods...
People often assume that "cherry picking" will only benefit the most affluent areas. While that may sometimes be the case, as many other posters in this thread can attest that often means wiring the less affluent neighborhoods first! For an initial rollout, there is nothing wrong with a company choosing areas that (for whatever reason) offer a quicker turnaround on expense. This could be due to higher income, or ease of installation (even if this means lower income areas), or it could simply be cheaper to roll services out (initially) to a specific area. Its crazy to demand that if Verizon wants to start offering FIOS anywhere in the city, they must immediately offer it everywhere. If the local government must be involved, they should at least allow Verizon to have a specific percentage of the city wired within 10 years or so, not force them to wire everyone right from the start! As a NYC resident who cant get anything faster that 5M/512k cable, the last thing I (or anyone else!) wants/needs is for Verizon to do what ATT did in Illinois; and that is walk away from the whole deal! Local governments must walk a fine line between pig headed greediness and the benefits of the citizens they represent. If they push too hard and demand unreasonable things, then the citizens will end up with noting. NOBODY wants that......
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said by pnh102 See Profile :

The only thing the NYC government will succeed in doing is ensure that its citizens receive "equal service."
Aint that the purpose? for all NYC residents to have equal services offered to them? For a NYC resident living in East New York or Bed-Sty and have the same options available to someone living in a condo SOHO or the lower east side? Seems to me like our elected officials are doing their jobs to protect the intrest of NYC residents. You have stock in Verizon or work for them that you want NYC to roll over and let Verizon do whatever they want to NYC?
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Back in October city council members were complaining that they were being kept out of the loop:
Translation - the Mayor is grabbing all the graft and not leaving any of it for us.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19812954 Wed, 16 Jan 2008 12:37:44 EDT Re: Once Again - Government Holds Us Back http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19812926 sporkme :
said by pnh102 See Profile :

There is nothing wrong with redlining for the sake of profit. Verizon has every right to deploy FIOS to wherever it believes it will make the most money selling the service and nowhere else..
That's all well and good, but if the cable companies had to build out to places they didn't want to, so does VZ. That's just being fair.

As for redlining, VZ inexplicably built out the crappiest part of this town before going into the moneyed neighborhoods...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19812926 Wed, 16 Jan 2008 12:34:48 EDT Re: Once Again - Government Holds Us Back http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19812903 nasadude : to me looks more like a shining example of elected officials looking out for their constituents.

maybe someday congress will start doing this (not holding my breath, 'cause I want to live).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19812903 Wed, 16 Jan 2008 12:30:52 EDT Re: Once Again - Government Holds Us Back http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19812647 JTRockville : Nothing would stop Verizon from deploying right now, if they owned their own property.

But since they want to install equipment on public property, they have to commit to serving the public interest.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19812647 Wed, 16 Jan 2008 11:48:25 EDT Re: Once Again - Corporation Holds Us Back http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19812642 gaforces : When you have a company that says "We will give you service on our terms with our rules, or forget it" it would be hard to work with them if you are representing the people who want the service.
Sounds like they need to open up the bidding process for other's who can do it just as well ... it's a global marketplace you know.
It would be better to have none, for now, than something that doesn't meet their needs. Especially since they abandoned northeast coast already ...
15 year contract is way too long to lock into any technology because 5 years from now, things will change.
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There is nothing wrong with redlining for the sake of profit. Verizon has every right to deploy FIOS to wherever it believes it will make the most money selling the service and nowhere else.

The only thing the NYC government will succeed in doing is ensure that its citizens receive "equal service." That being, none whatsoever.
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