muiredised
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join:2007-06-11
Tacoma, WA
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Re: Hmmm..
said by rantou  :Find me one ISP billing software that you search an IP address and it doesn't come back with a name. Go ahead! See if you can find one. That's just the whole problem. So it's unethical then to search out who a person is by the traffic coming from their IP address? If I understand it correctly the billing software may return a name of the "account holder", and that does NOT identify the person "using the connection". By personalizing your statements regarding the users with gender and age you are making suppositions that may or may not be accurate. How do you KNOW that the primary user is male? Even if you survey the users directly and they volunteer the information, that still does not mean it is accurate. What if the wife is said to be the primary user but the husband is concealing a pornography addiction?
Manage your network, analyze your network traffic, but DO NOT make suppositions about the "users". What you KNOW is your top bandwidth consuming "account", anything more specific regarding "user" is a supposition on your part unless you are a voyeur and watch them as they use the connection.
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jgkolt
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join:2004-02-21
Lakewood, OH
clubs: | reply to gigahurtz
just switched myself to att i hope this doesn't go through. I just want a dumb pipe to the internet.
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james
join:2001-02-26
antarctica
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said by rantou :So without being educated on how to run an ISP, please tell me, how would you do it? Two words: Dumb Pipe.
Seriously, it's none of your business if your client uses their connection to browse disney.com all day or downloads huge linux distros every day for no apparent reason. The only thing you should be keeping track of is:
"User A is using X GB/month, I can/cannot continue to provide this amount of bandwidth to them and still make money" Anything more is none of your business, furthermore you're discussing such things in a freaking public forum, how would you like it if your doctor went around talking about the disgusting genital warts you came in with the other day, while not mentioning your name but giving your age and occupation. |
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james
join:2001-02-26
antarctica
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You lay out no facts. The only thing you NEED to know as an ISP is how many gb a user is using per month, and if you are able to continue to provide your service and still make money.
If your users are complaining about slowdowns then what does it matter if the traffic being used is p2p or grannies email, you should just split your available bandwidth equally, provide more bandwidth, or leave being an ISP to the big boys. |
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caffeinator
Coming soon to a cup near you..
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join:2005-01-16
Spokane, WA
 ·WebBand
1 edit | Well, not exactly.
CALEA
»www.eff.org/issues/calea
Hang around the chans...and wait for the party van.
Guilt by URL...you think a court of white-bread average Americans is going to think positivly if a user so much as was recorded visiting a site like 4chan or Rotten? Most people I know would throw away the key after spending 20 seconds there.
Granted they do push..but it's not illegal.
If I hang around neworder, does that make me an evil hacker, or just someone interested in security?
You really think the average jury would care?
ISP's have to cover their asses too ya know. I know I do.
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rahvin112
join:2002-05-24
Sandy, UT
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If you are examining content you best be very careful about how you are doing it and for what reason. Based on your statements alone, in the right/wrong court (depending on whose opinion), you could be brought up on wire tap charges. Doing it to average people you probably won't be, but let me tell you if an "official" finds out you are doing it to them (such as a congressman) you will be brought up on federal wire tap charges. There's network management, and there is wire tapping. There is a fine line between the two and considering the jail time you are risking (20 year max sentence) if I was you, I would talk to a lawyer experienced in wire tap laws before I would be examining one bit of data for content.
There's a reason ATT and Verizion want Immunity for the illegal wiretaps they did for the Feds. You might take heed of their example. |
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ross
join:2000-08-16
·Digizip
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said by wierdo :said by ross :However, you identified certain of your users as intellectual property pirates. If you merely meant to say some percentage of an aggregate pool of users utilizing P2P protocols fell into certain demographic groups, that is quite different from identifying specific individual users as intellectual property pirates. The latter requires you to have inspected unencrypted packets to determine content, or to have made a stupendously egregious presumption. Or perhaps to have been called/written by content owners about the user's infringement? Sorry wierdo, but that is extremely unlikely. In fact, it would be more likely that he made the whole thing up, rather than have been notified by content providers. |
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justgold79
join:2008-01-13
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The secret to staying under the radar when at a new isp (if you get kicked off) is to gradually raise your up/down rates starting at a small rate, preferably under 10KBps so you'll get lost in the noise, then over time gradually keep raising your p2p programs throttle. At least that's what I've heard.
And for the paranoid surfer you can use TOR, and your isp can only see that your using it, and not any of your packets' destinations. |
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