Topic 'So Charter is going to go to metered service huh?' in forum 'Charter Internet/TV' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19826248 en Fri, 10 Feb 2012 00:12:34 EDT Fri, 10 Feb 2012 00:12:34 EDT Re: So Charter is going to go to metered service huh? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19958706
Would Charter have to at least meter the service in order to comply with the new LA tax reported on this site? I know, it is a dumb question.

Michigan has a state use tax tacked onto my Charter services, but I don't believe it is as it appears to be. I think it is a flat rate.

So when the CTO states Charter is going to a metered service, is this what he was referring to, the LA tax?

Will be interesting to see how this effects the rest of the state let alone the rest of the US.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19958706 Fri, 08 Feb 2008 15:29:53 EDT Re: So Charter is going to go to metered service huh? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19956513 everyone to stick to the orginal topic. Thanks.
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The foundations of character are built not by lecture, but by bricks of good example, laid day by day.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19956513 Fri, 08 Feb 2008 09:57:27 EDT Re: So Charter is going to go to metered service huh? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19956394 said by skj:

A reminder again, this topic is not about Charter employees, but about the prospect of Charter going to metered service. Let's please stay on topic.
Sure, but when a supposed Charter employee comes here and makes statements and uses his employment at Charter as his basis for his opinion and his boss at the highest level says the opposite, I think it's appropriate to ask why there is that difference.

So I'll stop talking about Charter employees as long as Charter employees are not allowed to post supposed "insider" facts without any proof. Especially when they can be disproved by statements in the media by Charter execs. Fair enough?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19956394 Fri, 08 Feb 2008 09:35:00 EDT Re: So Charter is going to go to metered service huh? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19955966 --


The foundations of character are built not by lecture, but by bricks of good example, laid day by day.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19955966 Fri, 08 Feb 2008 07:25:31 EDT Re: So Charter is going to go to metered service huh? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19955929 said by MrMike1:

I agree. It is a viscous circle.

Wish charter would upgrade their phone support to include a poll possibly after a call stating something like, was your rep courteous and maybe was your issue resolved.
That's just asking for trouble... I don't see how those could be accurate, no matter what the problem is, how long it takes to fix it, it will always be negative until it is fixed. I think instead of the poll directly after a support call maybe mail a letter once the problem is resolved so they aren't getting rants all the time. Give the person who just had the problem a day or so get over being mad his service wasn't working.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19955929 Fri, 08 Feb 2008 06:57:25 EDT Re: So Charter is going to go to metered service huh? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19955863
Wish charter would upgrade their phone support to include a poll possibly after a call stating something like, was your rep courteous and maybe was your issue resolved.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19955863 Fri, 08 Feb 2008 05:57:17 EDT Re: So Charter is going to go to metered service huh? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19954479
Charter's leaders, from the top down, are there to lie, and they do it well. But you know what they say - you can fool some of the people some of the time, but.....

And the ones that are not fooled are afraid to speak up, cannot speak up, and will no speak up, except the rare few you see here and there. And to those rare few - I thank you. Because Charter's blatant lack of ethics and integrity will continue unless more do.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19954479 Thu, 07 Feb 2008 21:51:13 EDT Re: So Charter is going to go to metered service huh? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19947330 said by BF69:

said by Charterrep2:

as a charter employee we are NOT going to a metered service,
So are you calling your boss a liar or an idiot?

"Eventually, we will go usage-based," predicted Marwan Fawaz, CTO of Charter Communications Inc., last month at the CableNEXT conference in Santa Clara.
BF69, please understand that the people in Louisville know nothing, and don't report to the CTO. They add nothing.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19947330 Wed, 06 Feb 2008 19:28:04 EDT Re: So Charter is going to go to metered service huh? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19946426
Thanks for the info as well.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19946426 Wed, 06 Feb 2008 16:57:15 EDT Re: So Charter is going to go to metered service huh? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19946316
»speedtest.chartermi.net/

Then it is the same as nitro.ucsc.edu and speedtest.umflint.edu except that they edited the code so it doesn't give the more details info.

I actually run one myself here:

»ndt.dhspeedtest.com/
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Chugging along on 3x 6016/768k DSL Extreme DSL lines and one 3008/512 ATT DSL DIrect line for a combined total of just over 18 meg download and 2350 up. yay!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19946316 Wed, 06 Feb 2008 16:39:53 EDT Re: So Charter is going to go to metered service huh? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19946112 said by BF69:

said by Charterrep2:

as a charter employee we are NOT going to a metered service,
So are you calling your boss a liar or an idiot?

"Eventually, we will go usage-based," predicted Marwan Fawaz, CTO of Charter Communications Inc., last month at the CableNEXT conference in Santa Clara.
Maybe he was just talking smack to impress his cable buddies... ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19946112 Wed, 06 Feb 2008 16:12:51 EDT Re: So Charter is going to go to metered service huh? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19946100
I do recall when I went back to Charter after using Direct TV and Dish network, the tech said to me, 'if the cables come loose you would get an FAA rep from Grayling at your doorstep due to the leakage of signal.' I just gave him a blank stare, but that was about 5 years ago. I'll bet he doesn't work for Charter anymore.

Since the installation, we went with the HSI, Charter phone and the cable tv service. The phone was the worst, but has gotten better. It still drops calls once in a while, but rarely unlike when it was first installed.

The cable tv goes blocky (if that makes sense to you) every once in a while. But it is localized to one channel, could be more as I do not scan them all.

The HSI has major issues. Could be the weather which as been weird lately (sunny, snow, rain, back to snow... etc.). I did notice that my duplex changes once in a while though and I'm not sure why. I don't change my nic duplex to half duplex. Figure that one out. Wish Charter's speed test would be more like »speedtest.umflint.edu/ in Flint or even »nitro.ucsc.edu/ in California. They give more info to help diagnose possible local network problems as well as the speedtest. Yeah, I rant about my HSI, who doesn't from time to time. I'm like most, I want more, faster and for less $.

Funny thing that you mentioned that call to Charter reps. My wife called and was majorly outraged with the rep who responded, 'When my promo runs out, I just pay the higher price.' He, she stated, was very adamant and rude saying there were no promo deals we could get. She ended that call with him and called back connecting with a different rep who offered us our current promo deal. Don't know what his problem was and don't really care. Just thought it was a bad way to represent the company's interests.

Anyway, all in all, I am satisfied with all the services we receive from Charter. By far better than the cable company that was here before Charter purchased it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19946100 Wed, 06 Feb 2008 16:11:28 EDT Re: So Charter is going to go to metered service huh? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19945103 said by Charterrep2:

as a charter employee we are NOT going to a metered service, So are you calling your boss a liar or an idiot?

"Eventually, we will go usage-based," predicted Marwan Fawaz, CTO of Charter Communications Inc., last month at the CableNEXT conference in Santa Clara.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19945103 Wed, 06 Feb 2008 13:15:01 EDT Re: So Charter is going to go to metered service huh? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19944729 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19944729 Wed, 06 Feb 2008 12:08:28 EDT Re: So Charter is going to go to metered service huh? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19942153
No, I base that on the current head of the FCC having a hard on for cable and that he is pushing limiting Comcast's(?) market share from getting any larger. If any of the major players would buy Charter that would put their market share at about or above the same level as Comcast. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19942153 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 22:07:22 EDT Re: So Charter is going to go to metered service huh? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19941821 said by Lazlow:

I do not see the FCC allowing any of the major player to buy Charter. Do you base this on the fine job the FCC has done keeping radio stations from being consolidated into only a couple of large companies? ;-)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19941821 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:07:48 EDT Re: So Charter is going to go to metered service huh? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19930279
It also could be a problem with the beta flash plugin used to perform the bandwidth test reflected by the dlsreports site. I have tried other flashed and java based tests and get the same results. It is difficult to track those results due to the lack of historical reporting.

I am not supporting my rant at all by saying, whether I am being throttled back or inaccurately termed 'capped', what would be the difference.

I assume Charter is having a difficult time with its ageing infastructure here in the north. Not to mention the above ground installation of said equipment.

Compounding the problem is customers using peer to peer networking creating chaos on an already burdened system.

Would this tend to create and environment leading to the enforcement of a policy of throttling everybody deemed a violator Charter's bandwidth policy? Yes, its a stretch, but possible. Yes, by saying it does not make it true.

So I say again, I apoligize for offending you.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19930279 Mon, 04 Feb 2008 06:19:59 EDT Re: So Charter is going to go to metered service huh? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19928670 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19928670 Sun, 03 Feb 2008 21:56:58 EDT Re: So Charter is going to go to metered service huh? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19928561 said by MrMike1:

Granted, it isn't "proof" and I am not saying it is anything more than a coincidence. Ironic though.
Then why are you here saying it is proof? Sorry, I fail to see any irony. You look to have a classic speed issue. Start a new thread and get some help. You're not being capped (as much as BF69 would love to hope you were).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19928561 Sun, 03 Feb 2008 21:32:55 EDT Re: So Charter is going to go to metered service huh? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19928374 Date IP Address Download Upload Latency Server Distance Share
2/3/2008 8:56 PM GMT xx.xx.xxx.xxx 4764 kb/s 475 kb/s 103 ms Clifton, NJ ~ 600 mi Open
2/3/2008 8:55 PM GMT xx.xx.xxx.xxx 4801 kb/s 484 kb/s 66 ms New York, NY ~ 650 mi Open
2/2/2008 10:15 PM GMT xx.xx.xxx.xxx 4799 kb/s 480 kb/s 34 ms Stanton, MI ~ 50 mi Open
2/2/2008 5:27 PM GMT xx.xx.xxx.xxx 4862 kb/s 486 kb/s 37 ms Stanton, MI ~ 50 mi Open
2/2/2008 4:24 PM GMT xx.xx.xxx.xxx 5028 kb/s 487 kb/s 35 ms Stanton, MI ~ 50 mi Open

Courtesy of DSLreports(dot)com

Share your test history with others: »/testhistory/1525750/84e10

03-02-2008 03:59 PM f-speed 2019 Kbps 474 Kbps Speakeasy (New York NY) charter.com
03-02-2008 03:58 PM f-speed 4345 Kbps 474 Kbps NAC (Parsippany NJ) charter.com
03-02-2008 11:14 AM f-speed 2308 Kbps 480 Kbps Speakeasy (New York NY) charter.com
03-02-2008 11:13 AM f-speed 2574 Kbps 472 Kbps NAC (Parsippany NJ) charter.com
03-02-2008 11:11 AM j-speed 1422 Kbps 479 Kbps New Jersey, USA charter.com
03-02-2008 10:19 AM f-speed 4339 Kbps 478 Kbps Speakeasy (New York NY) charter.com
03-02-2008 10:15 AM Line quality 0% loss latency 45.6ms
03-02-2008 09:24 AM f-speed 2550 Kbps 473 Kbps Sprint (Chicago IL) charter.com
02-02-2008 05:09 PM f-speed 2374 Kbps 478 Kbps Sprint (Chicago IL) charter.com
02-02-2008 02:15 PM Line quality 0% loss latency 46.0ms
02-02-2008 01:53 PM f-speed 2467 Kbps 472 Kbps Speakeasy (New York NY) charter.com
02-02-2008 12:59 PM j-speed 856 Kbps 486 Kbps New Jersey, USA charter.com

Funny thing about this is, look at my time and date for the rant and then the time and date for the bandwidth test.

Granted, it isn't "proof" and I am not saying it is anything more than a coincidence. Ironic though.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19928374 Sun, 03 Feb 2008 20:50:59 EDT Re: So Charter is going to go to metered service huh? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19928238 said by MrMike1:

They already cap my service with this policy. Of course there is not a description of what they consider excessive amount of bandwidth or who makes this determination. I get capped all the time. I pay for 5 meg service and do not get it due to this loophole agreement. I guess, 1 too many views of YouTube videos.

I haven't determined if it is just a tech making this descision or if it is just an automated process. I am betting on the tech, due to my bandwidth going down, but not going back to its "paid for" state until I call and complain.

But it gets worse. They disguise this capping with bandwidth test sites that use http protocol resulting in higher throughput. If I use a java or flash based test, it reflects a more accurate bandwidth. Tell me if I am wrong on this, as I go by feel rather than knowledge.

Do not consider this post as flaming Charter. Its just business. I should get what I pay for and should be treated as a customer rather than a violater of TOS.

Never received a notification of a supposed violation, so I guess it does not happen. Oops, it states I do not have to be notified either. I do however notice a lack of bandwidth. I realize I do not help the situation being an avid online gamer, a YouTube fan, rerun watcher of My Name is Earl from NBC. Anyway, lemme know what ya think of my rant if you want, or not. Thanks for reading this.

I know my reference to capped is incorrect, I mean reduction in bandwidth.
I usually just blindly believe what I read on the Internet, but please give some proof :uhh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19928238 Sun, 03 Feb 2008 20:25:23 EDT Re: So Charter is going to go to metered service huh? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19926927 said by MrMike1:

said by UneedTinFoil :

If they implement such a service, they already have it covered in their TOS:

»www.charter.com/Visitors/Policies.aspx

12. NO EXCESSIVE USE OF BANDWIDTH

If Charter determines, in Charter’s sole discretion, that Customer is using an excessive amount of bandwidth over the Charter network infrastructure for Internet access or other functions using public network resources, Charter may adjust, suspend or terminate Customer's account at any time and without notice, or require Customer to upgrade Customer’s service level and pay additional fees in accordance with Charter's then-current, applicable, published rates for such Service.
They already cap my service with this policy. Of course there is not a description of what they consider excessive amount of bandwidth or who makes this determination. I get capped all the time. I pay for 5 meg service and do not get it due to this loophole agreement. I guess, 1 too many views of YouTube videos.

I haven't determined if it is just a tech making this descision or if it is just an automated process. I am betting on the tech, due to my bandwidth going down, but not going back to its "paid for" state until I call and complain.

Never received a notification of a supposed violation, so I guess it does not happen. Oops, it states I do not have to be notified either. I do however notice a lack of bandwidth. I realize I do not help the situation being an avid online gamer, a YouTube fan, rerun watcher of My Name is Earl from NBC. Anyway, lemme know what ya think of my rant if you want, or not. Thanks for reading this.

I know my reference to capped is incorrect, I mean reduction in bandwidth.
This is exactly the one area I which I said a cap( one that is known ) would be a good thing. Right now you're getting capped. Well maybe. Even you youself are not sure and Charter isn't going to tell you. In a metered system they'd HAVE to tell you, and they HAVE to provide you with the tools to determine how much you have used.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19926927 Sun, 03 Feb 2008 15:15:05 EDT Re: So Charter is going to go to metered service huh? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19925351 said by UneedTinFoil :

If they implement such a service, they already have it covered in their TOS:

»www.charter.com/Visitors/Policies.aspx

12. NO EXCESSIVE USE OF BANDWIDTH

If Charter determines, in Charter’s sole discretion, that Customer is using an excessive amount of bandwidth over the Charter network infrastructure for Internet access or other functions using public network resources, Charter may adjust, suspend or terminate Customer's account at any time and without notice, or require Customer to upgrade Customer’s service level and pay additional fees in accordance with Charter's then-current, applicable, published rates for such Service. They already cap my service with this policy. Of course there is not a description of what they consider excessive amount of bandwidth or who makes this determination. I get capped all the time. I pay for 5 meg service and do not get it due to this loophole agreement. I guess, 1 too many views of YouTube videos.

I haven't determined if it is just a tech making this descision or if it is just an automated process. I am betting on the tech, due to my bandwidth going down, but not going back to its "paid for" state until I call and complain.

But it gets worse. They disguise this capping with bandwidth test sites that use http protocol resulting in higher throughput. If I use a java or flash based test, it reflects a more accurate bandwidth. Tell me if I am wrong on this, as I go by feel rather than knowledge.

Do not consider this post as flaming Charter. Its just business. I should get what I pay for and should be treated as a customer rather than a violater of TOS.

Never received a notification of a supposed violation, so I guess it does not happen. Oops, it states I do not have to be notified either. I do however notice a lack of bandwidth. I realize I do not help the situation being an avid online gamer, a YouTube fan, rerun watcher of My Name is Earl from NBC. Anyway, lemme know what ya think of my rant if you want, or not. Thanks for reading this.

I know my reference to capped is incorrect, I mean reduction in bandwidth.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19925351 Sun, 03 Feb 2008 09:12:54 EDT Re: So Charter is going to go to metered service huh? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19925202
When there is a court battle that is "people" vs " big company" the people have a pretty good shot. Basically it is what everyone is waiting for.

Both invisible caps and Bittorrent throttling are types of metered service in my opinion.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19925202 Sun, 03 Feb 2008 08:18:28 EDT Re: So Charter is going to go to metered service huh? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19925050 info i was read was from the lionk post in the first thread of this topic. here's the link i read from.
»www.lightreading.com/document.as···site=cdn
Was also told some time back that invisable capping was illegal though, but i didn't trust that source as well. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19925050 Sun, 03 Feb 2008 06:24:05 EDT Re: So Charter is going to go to metered service huh? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19925045 said by WyckedKnight:

The thing about hidden caps, from my understanding is that they are illegal. Thus why the FCC is investigating Comcast for those invisible caps.
They are investigating Comcast for BitTorrent throttling not invisible caps. And throttling bittorrent is not against the law. HOW Comcast is doing is, potentially.

Show me a link where invisible caps are illegal.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19925045 Sun, 03 Feb 2008 06:18:47 EDT Re: So Charter is going to go to metered service huh? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19924887 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19924887 Sun, 03 Feb 2008 03:37:30 EDT Re: So Charter is going to go to metered service huh? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19923898
;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19923898 Sat, 02 Feb 2008 22:00:33 EDT Re: So Charter is going to go to metered service huh? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19923814 said by LowRider:

said by DemonChicken:

What is the proposed GB cap, and how much does it cost if you go over? I don't want t scour the thread to try to find that info.
i don't believe Charter has said, and even mentioned if they will go to this. i could be wrong, cause i think this whole thread started from an article that mentioned Charter in it but there was no confirmation from Charter on the subject.

I quoted a pretty higher up person at CHARTER.

"Eventually, we will go usage-based," predicted Marwan Fawaz, CTO of Charter Communications Inc., last month at the CableNEXT conference in Santa Clara. "

the one good thing about a cap is that at least it will be known. because we all know that the cable companies do in fact have caps now that are invisible and we have no idea what the cap is and most people don't know how much they are using, even if they did state what the cap was.

If your connection all of a sudden goes to shit now they can just say it's a technical problem, not that you violated any invisble cap since they deny having one the first place. In which it may every well be a technical issue and not an overage one, but you'll never know since they supposedly don't have caps now, but they do.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19923814 Sat, 02 Feb 2008 21:42:01 EDT Re: So Charter is going to go to metered service huh? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19922548 said by DemonChicken:

What is the proposed GB cap, and how much does it cost if you go over? I don't want t scour the thread to try to find that info.
i don't believe Charter has said, and even mentioned if they will go to this. i could be wrong, cause i think this whole thread started from an article that mentioned Charter in it but there was no confirmation from Charter on the subject.
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19922548 Sat, 02 Feb 2008 17:08:21 EDT Re: So Charter is going to go to metered service huh? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19921652 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19921652 Sat, 02 Feb 2008 13:57:30 EDT Re: So Charter is going to go to metered service huh? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19921315
This topic had me very concerned so I read everything I could find on the internet about it. That involved reading information from a variety of websites. If I did not make it clear before, I admit I cannot find where I originally saw the numbers (a point which I thought I had already made clear). After reading 40-50 threads on the topic it can be difficult to remember where one particular piece of information came from. The fact that Useless (who handles this exact type of thing for Charter) confirms that the information is in the right ballpark, leaves me with no compelling reason to spend hours trying to track down the exact source of the information. If this offends you just ignore my posts. If it really offends you, search through ALL the threads about metered service on the internet.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19921315 Sat, 02 Feb 2008 12:56:53 EDT Re: So Charter is going to go to metered service huh? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19921103 said by sadbuttrue :

haha. ownage. nice MacLeech :)
If ignorance is bliss, yes its ownage. but of a different kind.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19921103 Sat, 02 Feb 2008 12:10:04 EDT Re: So Charter is going to go to metered service huh? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19921092
Comcast advertises "unlimited" but it isn't, bc they forge RSTs, which throttle bit torrent seeding. They do this via packet sniffing all traffic, sending the RST to the source. accomplished by putting these at certain agg points on the network.

If they lose their court case, they may have stop the RST or advertise a metered service, or some other type of internet that is "unlimited except for seeding"

Hopefully you see what I am getting at here.

Basically if you have Comcast you have a type of metered service already. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19921092 Sat, 02 Feb 2008 12:09:25 EDT Re: So Charter is going to go to metered service huh? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19921081 said by MacLeech:

said by BF69:

said by MacLeech:

That "correction" doesn't change the premise of the statement.

Where did he get the idea that using more than 5 GB per month puts a user in the top 5%? He doesn't believe it, but who does he think said or believes that?
You don't pay attention much do you?

said by Lazlow:

If you go through the TW metered threads one of them gives that stats that 95% of their customers are using less than 5gb. It is not my number it is theirs. I agree the number sounds fishy because I do not personally know of anyone who uses less then 50GB per month (Including my 72 year old widow neighbor lady that I set up linux for) and yes I have checked those #s as well as my own. I did find the quote right out of their memo that said 5% of the users were using 50% of the total bandwidth. Which would (if true) put the 5GB number in the right ballpark.
Thank you for pointing out where you got that idea from, that's what I was asking for.

TWC spokesholes never said using more than 5 GB per month put a user in the top 5% of bandwidth users, so I was wondering where that came from. I see Lazlow seems to have made it up.

Thanks, I'll leave now.
haha. ownage. nice MacLeech :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19921081 Sat, 02 Feb 2008 12:07:00 EDT Re: So Charter is going to go to metered service huh? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19921056 said by MacLeech:

TWC spokesholes never said using more than 5 GB per month put a user in the top 5% of bandwidth users, so I was wondering where that came from. I see Lazlow seems to have made it up.

Thanks, I'll leave now.
rofl!!!

Cheap shot, and gone!

Pretty accurate BTW. ( Lazlow's number )

Check this blog out, »blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=914

has links to the EFF site, where they recommend metered service.

»www.eff.org/wp/packet-forgery-is···t-affair

Very interesting read concerning all of this. You might not e that the entire thing is based around Comcast and their actions, which have a direct correlation to any type of metered service. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19921056 Sat, 02 Feb 2008 12:04:16 EDT Re: So Charter is going to go to metered service huh? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19918726 said by BF69:

said by MacLeech:

That "correction" doesn't change the premise of the statement.

Where did he get the idea that using more than 5 GB per month puts a user in the top 5%? He doesn't believe it, but who does he think said or believes that?
You don't pay attention much do you?

said by Lazlow:

If you go through the TW metered threads one of them gives that stats that 95% of their customers are using less than 5gb. It is not my number it is theirs. I agree the number sounds fishy because I do not personally know of anyone who uses less then 50GB per month (Including my 72 year old widow neighbor lady that I set up linux for) and yes I have checked those #s as well as my own. I did find the quote right out of their memo that said 5% of the users were using 50% of the total bandwidth. Which would (if true) put the 5GB number in the right ballpark.
Thank you for pointing out where you got that idea from, that's what I was asking for.

TWC spokesholes never said using more than 5 GB per month put a user in the top 5% of bandwidth users, so I was wondering where that came from. I see Lazlow seems to have made it up.

Thanks, I'll leave now.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19918726 Fri, 01 Feb 2008 21:40:44 EDT Re: So Charter is going to go to metered service huh? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19918694 said by MacLeech:

That "correction" doesn't change the premise of the statement.

Where did he get the idea that using more than 5 GB per month puts a user in the top 5%? He doesn't believe it, but who does he think said or believes that?
You don't pay attention much do you?

said by Lazlow:

If you go through the TW metered threads one of them gives that stats that 95% of their customers are using less than 5gb. It is not my number it is theirs. I agree the number sounds fishy because I do not personally know of anyone who uses less then 50GB per month (Including my 72 year old widow neighbor lady that I set up linux for) and yes I have checked those #s as well as my own. I did find the quote right out of their memo that said 5% of the users were using 50% of the total bandwidth. Which would (if true) put the 5GB number in the right ballpark.
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19918694 Fri, 01 Feb 2008 21:33:44 EDT Re: So Charter is going to go to metered service huh? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19918638 said by LowRider:

said by MacLeech:

said by BF69 See ProfileSO :

downloading 1 HD movie is already putting you in the top 5% supposedly. I really doubt that.
Where did you ever get that figure from?

That 5GB a month made you a top 5% user.
there i corrected you on what he really said
That "correction" doesn't change the premise of the statement.

Where did he get the idea that using more than 5 GB per month puts a user in the top 5%? He doesn't believe it, but who does he think said or believes that?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19918638 Fri, 01 Feb 2008 21:24:18 EDT Re: So Charter is going to go to metered service huh? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19918167 said by MacLeech:

said by BF69 See ProfileSO :

downloading 1 HD movie is already putting you in the top 5% supposedly. I really doubt that.
Where did you ever get that figure from?

That 5GB a month made you a top 5% user.
there i corrected you on what he really said]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19918167 Fri, 01 Feb 2008 19:54:57 EDT Re: So Charter is going to go to metered service huh? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19918125 said by BF69 See ProfileSO :

downloading 1 HD movie is already putting you in the top 5% supposedly. Where did you ever get that figure from?

That 5GB a month made you a top 5% user.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19918125 Fri, 01 Feb 2008 19:47:08 EDT Re: So Charter is going to go to metered service huh? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19917075
If I had the option of 8mb DSL or 16mb Cable that was metered, I'd jump on DSL.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19917075 Fri, 01 Feb 2008 16:33:08 EDT Re: So Charter is going to go to metered service huh? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19916276 said by useless7:

His number is pretty accurate, whether you agree or not. Remember, MSOs run their own DNS, there is caching and such. ( locally on machines and some networks )We'll agree to disagree. more people are using 2 or more computers in the home. Now I know if you have say 10 Meg you can't use more than that no matter how many computers you have. My point is that an internet connection is on more often so logically more bandwidth is being used.

More and more people are doing online gaming.

More and more people are going to start using service like Amazon Unbox, Netflix online, Apple TV and XBOX Live for not only regular Tv and movie downloads but HD.

A HD download form XBL is 6 GB. SO downloading 1 HD movie is already putting you in the top 5% supposedly. I really doubt that.

As I said 5 GB a month is 167 MB a day. That's not much. Hell just in the last 20 minutes I've used 11 MB of bandwidth and all I've done is pretty much come here and respond to these posts. I think I went to yahoo to check my mail and maybe read a news story, but I certainly didn't download any video. At that rate within 5 hours I'm exceeding 167 MB. I can tell you that MORE than 5% of Charter's customers go to YouTube and other video sites. It doesn't take but watching a few videos a day and normal surfing to exceed 5 GB a month.

Even if 95% use 5 GB or less NOW, within a couple of years that number will be well under 50% and the 95% threshold will be closer to 50 Gb than to 5 GB. Even you can't disagre with that.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19916276 Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:37:05 EDT Re: So Charter is going to go to metered service huh? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19914266 said by mworks:

My concern with caps is that its just an excuse not to spend money on infrastructure and increase profits.

example:
A town with 5000 subscribers.
Your network can't handle them all at full usage so you cap them at 50GB.

A couple years later the subscriber numbers are now 6000.
Your network can't handle them all at full usage so you cap them at 40GB.

Where does it end ?
Valid concern, 2 points.

1. That is not a reality as far as Charter goes. So premise 1 is something that is false.

2. Since the first premise is false, this is not a logical extension.

I mean, you can make scenarios up all day.....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19914266 Fri, 01 Feb 2008 09:12:24 EDT Re: So Charter is going to go to metered service huh? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19914253
example:
A town with 5000 subscribers.
Your network can't handle them all at full usage so you cap them at 50GB.

A couple years later the subscriber numbers are now 6000.
Your network can't handle them all at full usage so you cap them at 40GB.

Where does it end ?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19914253 Fri, 01 Feb 2008 09:09:43 EDT Re: So Charter is going to go to metered service huh? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19914187 said by BF69:

said by Lazlow:

BF69

If you go through the TW metered threads one of them gives that stats that 95% of their customers are using less than 5gb.
I don't care what they say, it's BS and I know it and you know it.

Personally I do not think charter needs to worry about bandwidth hogs any more now than they have had to in the past. I still have not seen anything from time warner that says that the tiers will be tied to certain speeds.
they have 4 speed tiers and 4 badwidth caps. Doesn't take a genius to figure it out. Satelite has caps and your cap is based on the speed tier you're on.
His number is pretty accurate, whether you agree or not. Remember, MSOs run their own DNS, there is caching and such. ( locally on machines and some networks )

Here is part of the problem. When Charter ( and other MSOs ) offer higher DL speeds ( more bandwidth ) for more cost, people jump at it. One reason Charter doesnt have the lowest tier anymore.

I agree with some of your assessments on how people use the bandwidth, how it is hoggish to download all day and such, remember that currently that is perfectly acceptable. I see a lot of people get on here crying about their speeds, I wish Charter had local speed test sites everywhere...because people normally are getting their speed on net. Because 1 server isnt giving you 16MB .. we get complaints. Most server CANT give you that much bandwidth. Course when its 500k down and 1M there is a problem. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19914187 Fri, 01 Feb 2008 08:50:49 EDT Re: So Charter is going to go to metered service huh? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19914043 said by BF69:

And yet you still use a cell phone. And as you say Charter is a BUSINESS. It's their pipe they paid for it. Who are you to tell them what they can do with it? You could always build you're own network if you hate it so much.

So Charter should let you do whatever you want because the other company refuses to even provide Charter's crappy level of service? Hmmmm. Why not complain to the even crappier company to improve their service? If McDonald's gives me a crappy burger I'm not going to demand that Burger King give me a discount.
Yes I use a cell phone service that has unlimited minutes and I sacrificed better quality service because of it. It's charter's pipe that they are charging me to use. Who am I to tell them what to do? This is about my opinion, I am not telling them to do anything. Just because that is the only option and I use it doesn't mean I can't give my opinion on it.

Your burger king comment and response to the 16mbps with the TOS I feel is twisting the points I was trying to make. As far as the tos... Paying for a 16mbps connection and only able to get 1mbps will more than likely bring a lawsuit. I wouldn't be the one filing it, but if some lady can sue McDonalds for coffee being hot, I don't see how Charter could avoid one for that... Charter has been good about giving credits for downtime and latency when it's something on there end, but this about your hypothetical idea that they will charge full price for something they can't deliver. In reality, I am not asking for a discount because someone else's services are bad, I am hoping they don't change theirs so there service is just as bad. It would be like McDonalds giving you a 3 day old burger and then you go to burger king and get the same thing all because McDonalds did it. Keeping the BK and McD comparison, my little town only has BK or McD to choose from and that is why I am worried about it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19914043 Fri, 01 Feb 2008 08:13:40 EDT Re: So Charter is going to go to metered service huh? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19913977 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-So-Charter-is-going-to-go-to-metered-service-huh-19913977 Fri, 01 Feb 2008 07:50:25 EDT