useMYbandW
@charter.com
| reply to BF69
Re: So Charter is going to go to metered service huh?
Electricity, water, cell phones, ect ..all usage based services. Are you really that surprised that MSO's are moving to this ...it was only a matter of time. All ISP's will move to this model eventually. Be it DSL or Cable. It's all about profit margins. |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| said by useMYbandW :
Electricity, water, cell phones, ect ..all usage based services. Are you really that surprised that MSO's are moving to this ...it was only a matter of time. All ISP's will move to this model eventually. Be it DSL or Cable. It's all about profit margins.
Really when TW first talk about cap I wasn't against it as I saw their point about a few people using up most of the bandwidth. But TW is talking about 5GB - 40GB caps and that's a joke. I'm sure Charter would be all for that. Don't go telling me you're going to offer 16 Mbps then say you're going to have caps and then do something stupid like TW and make it 40 or 50 GB and still charge at least $70. If Charter wants to have a cap and have it at like 300 GB then fine. |
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Lazlow
join:2006-08-07
Saint Louis, MO
| reply to useMYbandW
usemybandw
But cell phones are going away from the metered format. When cell phones first came out you got charged for every minute. Now most plans have free nights and weekends. The hours for the free nights have been becoming (slowly) lower (earlier in the day) and at least one of the major carriers now offers free incoming calls. In addition to that the prices on cell phone plans have also been dropping. Five(?) years ago I paid roughly $40 for 400 anytime minutes and free nights (after 9pm). Now I pay roughly $40 for 1000 anytime minutes, free weekends, and my free nights start at 7pm.
As far as electricity and water, they are very mature technology. Both are also very tightly regulated by local public utility commissions (PUCs). A rate hike for them almost always requires a public review and is often rejected or reduced. |
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Lazlow
join:2006-08-07
Saint Louis, MO
1 edit | reply to BF69
If they actually do this, they are going to almost have to have the cap tied to the speed. Something like 200GB for 5meg(lowest tier), 400GB for 10meg, and unlimited for 16meg(or whatever the highest tier is currently) would be acceptable. Unfortunately it looks like they are talking more like 5GB,20GB, and 40GB (all caps per month).
Edit: Another thing that could eliminate a lot of this problem is if they did not watch or keep track of the traffic between say 11pm and 7am. For the vast majority of users the system does not need to be "snappy" during those hours, so bandwidth hogs would essentially not effect the system for those hours. |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| said by Lazlow  :If they actually do this, they are going to almost have to have the cap tied to the speed. Something like 200GB for 5meg(lowest tier), 400GB for 10meg, and unlimited for 16meg(or whatever the highest tier is currently) would be acceptable. Unfortunately it looks like they are talking more like 5GB,20GB, and 40GB (all caps per month). Edit: Another thing that could eliminate a lot of this problem is if they did not watch or keep track of the traffic between say 11pm and 7am. For the vast majority of users the system does not need to be "snappy" during those hours, so bandwidth hogs would essentially not effect the system for those hours. So are you saying is if Charter had a 40 GB cap, but only have useage between 7 AM and 10:59 PM count towards that cap? Kind of like cell phone where between 9 PM and 6 AM you get unlimited minutes? |
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Lazlow
join:2006-08-07
Saint Louis, MO | BF69
I still do not like the 40GB part but yes, in concept sorta like the cell phone thing. |
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mmainprize
join:2001-12-06
Houghton Lake, MI
| reply to useMYbandW
said by useMYbandW :
Electricity, water, cell phones, ect ..all usage based services. Are you really that surprised that MSO's are moving to this ...it was only a matter of time. All ISP's will move to this model eventually. Be it DSL or Cable. It's all about profit margins.
Then why not for cable TV. I would like to only pay for what i use in stead of a package price.
I will tell you this is all screwed up, just as thing like IPTV and networked DVR's Sling modem and the many other to come are all being shutdown by worries of copyright, DRM and other issues.
If a low cap dose come i will just drop HSI and get dialup for e-mail and research. All the value that the internet has will be lost and it will be a blow to moving forward. I will then drop cable TV and get netflicks and an antenna on my roof. When more like me do this either it will cahnge back or they will lose money from customers dropping services.
It is a joke they want to charge a monthly rental fee for just about anything these days. |
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byebyebirdee
@charter.com
| said by mmainprize :I will then drop cable TV and get netflicks and an antenna on my roof. An antenna won't work very much longer.
»www.pratttribune.com/articles/20···s/02.txt |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| regular antennas work just fine for both digital signals and HD signals. Who ever wrote that is an idiot. |
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Lazlow
join:2006-08-07
Saint Louis, MO | Not only do they work just fine, but the HD from OTA is probably the best available. They do not compress OTA signal. |
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houkouonchi
join:2002-07-22
Corona, CA
clubs:
 ·AT&T U-Verse
 ·DSL EXTREME
·OCN
·Pacific Bell - SBC
 ·Charter Pipeline
| said by Lazlow :Not only do they work just fine, but the HD from OTA is probably the best available. They do not compress OTA signal. I don't know why I see people say this all the time. OTA HD is mpeg2, the only difference is it is likely it is a better bit-rate/less compressed then sat/cable TV compress their stuff. It is definitely compressed.
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Chugging along on 3x 6016/768k DSL Extreme DSL lines and one 3008/512 ATT DSL DIrect line for a combined total of just over 18 meg download and 2350 up. yay! |
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Lazlow
join:2006-08-07
Saint Louis, MO
| Ok, YES all HD is compressed. When you get a HD DVD(whatever format) it is also compressed, that is how digital video is moved (99%anyway). As you pointed out it is the rate it is compressed. The OTA basically sends the signal out at the same compression that they receive it. Cable/sat crunch it down(reduce quality) further to minimize their bandwidth usage. OTA does not care about the amount of bandwidth it uses. They do not have to reduce the quality of the video/audio so that it will "fit in the box" like cable/sat does. |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
1 edit | said by Lazlow :Ok, YES all HD is compressed. When you get a HD DVD(whatever format) it is also compressed, that is how digital video is moved (99%anyway). As you pointed out it is the rate it is compressed. The OTA basically sends the signal out at the same compression that they receive it. Cable/sat crunch it down(reduce quality) further to minimize their bandwidth usage. OTA does not care about the amount of bandwidth it uses. They do not have to reduce the quality of the video/audio so that it will "fit in the box" like cable/sat does. for the the record OTA HD stream have a bitrate of up to 19.38 mbps blu-ray is up to 40 mbps and HD-DVD is up to 28 mbps. Not sure what cable or sat HD streams are.
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here you go
»blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=962 |
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