Mike
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Re: It's good but not great
What's so hard about 1080i?
720p = no thanks. |
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3 edits | said by Mike  :What's so hard about 1080i? 720p = no thanks. Bandwidth and video horsepower required to run it.
1280x720P is only 4-5GB for a flick and easier to process than 1440 or 1920x1080i. As compression technology improves so that movie sizes can come down, I'm sure we'll see future ATV type devices doing 1080i or even 1080P. |
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RadioDoc
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| said by Dogfather :I'm sure we'll see future ATV type devices doing 1080i or even 1080P. There already here. It's called TiVo. Apple is way late to this game. My Series 3 HD can rent movies from Amazon. What is Apple bringing to the table?
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4 edits | I was unaware that Unbox movies were 1080i. I thought they were all MPEG2 SD "DVD quality" movies and there were no titles available in HD resolutions.
If Amazon doesn't offer HD titles, the only thing Apple TV is bringing that TiVo+Unbox isn't is what Microsoft already does, 720P HD rentals.
Meanwhile it's a WAY smaller step for TiVo+Amazon to offer 720P than it is for Apple to add something like CableCard support and DVR functions that TiVo already has for less than $100 more than ATV. |
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| The question was about 1080i/p equipment. TiVo can do that right now, and does. The content will come. You think Amazon doesn't have the resources to do that?
The Apple TV and XBOX are not DVRs, either. Apple needs to get on the ball and add that functionality (it's not that hard, but will require additional hardware) if they expect it to grow. Currently it's the bastard stepchild of the product line.
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»support.apple.com/specs/appletv/···_TV.html
•H.264 and protected H.264 (from iTunes Store): Up to 5 Mbps, Progressive Main Profile (CAVLC) with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps (maximum resolution: 1280 by 720 pixels at 24 fps, 960 by 540 pixels at 30 fps) in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats.
•iTunes Store purchased video: 320 by 240 pixels, 640 by 480 pixels, 720 by 480 pixels (anamorphic), or high-definition 720p.
•MPEG-4: Up to 3 Mbps, Simple Profile with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps (maximum resolution: 720 by 432 pixels at 30 fps) in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats.
TV compatibility
•Compatible with enhanced-definition or high-definition widescreen TVs capable of 1080p/1080i 60/50Hz, 720p 60/50Hz, 576p 50Hz (PAL format), or 480p 60Hz, including popular models from these manufacturers: HP, Hitachi, JVC, LG, Mitsubishi, NEC, Olevia, Panasonic, Philips, Pioneer, Polaroid, Samsung, Sony, Sharp, Toshiba, Vizio, Westinghouse. |
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said by Mike :What's so hard about 1080i? 720p = no thanks. You do realize that most TVs today (even 1080p sets) can't really display more than about 800 lines of resolution well? I'm all for 1080p and even have adopted Blu-Ray early because of the higher resolution of the format but for downloadable rentals I think 720p is a good compromise for the next few years. |
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1 edit | reply to RadioDoc
The question wasn't about equipment, it was about why Apple is only doing 720P content (even for non-ATV devices) and so far Amazon doesn't rent HD content. Resources and will are two different things. They certainly have the resources, but with so many SD TiVo boxes in the installed base compared to HD boxes, they likely aren't compelled to expedite HD rentals.
But everything else you mention I agree with. ATV won't be successful without something substantially more than VOD rentals and xfers |
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AVonGauss
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I think you mean 1080i... A 1080p set has a native resolution of at least 1920x1080, otherwise it's not a 1080p set...  |
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Until this year I don't think 1080p was 'the norm' and I'm not sure that's still the case. The 55" Sony LCD I bought last year only does 720p - I think most LCDs and plasma from the last several years (excepting of course the very high end ones) only do 720p. Looks good enough to me after 20+ years of 480i TV... |
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Pictor Guy
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I mean real world (motion) 1080p.
»www.hometheatermag.com/images/ar···Vrez.jpg
Keep in mind I would still rather have a 1080p TV vs a 1080i set. but when it comes to 720p vs 1080p the issue gets a little more complicated. For source material I would still invest in 1080p if I'm owning the material (Blu-Ray for example) but for a rental it's another issue and 720p is okay for me at least until TVs get a little better. |
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openbox9
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Alexandria, VA | reply to Mike
I'll take good quality 720p over 1080i any day of the week. |
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Here's what Apple's bringing to the table:
1) your music. Got iTunes on a computer in your house? AppleTV can either sync or stream the music directly. can Tivo do that?
2) Pictures. Got iPhoto? AppleTV can sync iPhoto albums or your entire library.
3) Ease of use. No getting out the mouse to control the AppleTV. I have a windows HTPC using BeyondTV, so when I want to stream something from netflix I have to get out the mouse and hope that MS's DRM doesn't decide to lock me out (for some reason it does that with the streaming feature every now and then).
4) cross platform compatibility. Does Netflix streaming work with Macs? Does Tivo support anything advanced on Macs?
I know the AppleTV isn't fully featured and I would LOVE for Apple to buy ElGato, fix up eyeTV, and integrate the entire thing into a Mini with built-in digital tuners HOWEVER, it's not happening yet.
I use my AppleTV for hours each day for pictures, music, shows, etc. Once rentals are available on it I could even see getting a movie every now and then. I have clients who have gotten rid of their Comcast because all of the shows they want to watch and record are available through iTunes. |
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said by Mike :What's so hard about 1080i? 720p = no thanks. Because it goes great with your $200 gold-plated Monster HDMI cables, right? |
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said by rugby :Here's what Apple's bringing to the table: 1) your music. Got iTunes on a computer in your house? AppleTV can either sync or stream the music directly. can Tivo do that? 2) Pictures. Got iPhoto? AppleTV can sync iPhoto albums or your entire library. 3) Ease of use. No getting out the mouse to control the AppleTV. I have a windows HTPC using BeyondTV, so when I want to stream something from netflix I have to get out the mouse and hope that MS's DRM doesn't decide to lock me out (for some reason it does that with the streaming feature every now and then). 4) cross platform compatibility. Does Netflix streaming work with Macs? Does Tivo support anything advanced on Macs? I've had a Buffalo Link Theater DVD Networked Player for years that does all this with a Remote. It streams DVD quality video at 1080i from PC or Server over Ethernet. It does not play DRM protected video well, even though it does try to work with Microsoft Windows Media Connect. This unit came out years ago, and I think it is way better than AppleTV. |
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said by AVonGauss :I think you mean 1080i... A 1080p set has a native resolution of at least 1920x1080, otherwise it's not a 1080p set... 1080i and 1080p have the same resolution. That's what "1080" is...the lines of vertical resolution.
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1080i
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Warner Robins, GA | The European Broadcasting Union (EBU) recommends that its members use 720p50 with the possibility of 1080i50 on a programme-by-programme basis and 1080p50 as a future option.[2][3][4]
From that article. |
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NOCMan
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720p is just fine. |
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NOCMan
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Dont get me started. Some idiot at Best Buy tried selling me gold plated FIBER cables when I grabbed the el-cheapo ones. Said the gold helped the light move.
I install fiber all day long at work. I wanted to beat this guy down. Course I want to do that to most sales people because they usually just bug and lie to customers just to get a sale. Especially when they pull that crap on the elderly. |
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NOCMan
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Surprised people are not suing for false advertising then. |
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