silentknight
join:2008-01-20
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January 20th, @02:11PM
| Question about T1 and higher speeds...looking for 6-8mb
Hi
I am moving to a rural area. A T1 may be my only option for high speeds. I want a speed higher than a T1 but I don't want to spend money on a T3. I am looking for a speed of around 5-8mb.
There won't be a tremendous amount of uploading. I am more concerned with downloading. I use a lot of graphics that are downloaded. Satellite and radar images for meteorology. This will be used on a couple of computers. Not a huge network or anything like that. At any given time - basically two computers will share the line.
1. What do I ask for instead of a T1? Do I ask for a T1 and then fractional?
2. I am used to having Comcast High Speed. It is running at 8-11mb in this region. Fast. I hate giving up those speeds. People keep telling me that a T1 is really fast because it isn't shared. I argue that if a T1 is giving me download speeds at 1.5mb then it can't possibly compare to Comcast Cable speeds. Does anyone have experience with the differences?
The cost of a T1 is around $500-800 in this region. How much more should I expect to pay to get higher speeds - say 6-8 mb.
I spoke with someone from (see below)
Ryan Reid
Account Associate
4001 Weston Parkway
Cary, NC 27513
rreid@bandwidth.com
They sell T1 lines and he quoted me a low price of around $500 for a T1.
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youngmoore
join:2001-03-16
Marietta, GA | I have 4 T1's in my office that are bonded which = 6 megs - overhead. Stable, fast etc. Ask if they can do T1 bonding.
Will say that it cost $$$$$ for it but if your willing to play you got to pay as they say. |
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JoelC707
join:2002-07-09
Tucson, AZ
clubs:
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said by silentknight  :1. What do I ask for instead of a T1? Do I ask for a T1 and then fractional? You want to ask for either a bonded T1 or a fractional T3. You'll want to ask for both because at a certain point the fractional T3 becomes the cheaper way to go and it's easily upgraded because they just change the port speed and don't have to wait 30+ days for another T1 to be provisioned and added to the bundle. You could also ask for Metro Ethernet but I doubt you can get that in rural areas. Another reason to consider the fractional T3 is that from what I have seen Cisco routers (what you will likely get/need to get) can only handle 8 T1's in a bundle before you start getting errors (you can put more in a bundle but most that have tried it get errors above 8).
2. I am used to having Comcast High Speed. It is running at 8-11mb in this region. Fast. I hate giving up those speeds. People keep telling me that a T1 is really fast because it isn't shared. I argue that if a T1 is giving me download speeds at 1.5mb then it can't possibly compare to Comcast Cable speeds. Does anyone have experience with the differences? I too have Comcast and get the same speeds, sometimes faster. I wouldn't give it up for anything (unless it was faster lol). The people that blindly say a T1 is faster are just that, blind to the technology. A T1 can be faster because it is a dedicated line (to a degree) and is synchronous meaning it can send and receive at full throttle at the same time. Basically you have 1.5Mb send and 1.5Mb receive. Ever try uploading a large file on your Comcast connection then try downloading something at the same time while your upload is saturated? You'll feel like you're back on dial-up. I will say that a T1 sometimes falls into the "really fast" category on the upload side. A T1 has twice the upload that I do on my 8/768 Comcast connection. But even that distinction is beginning to blur now.
The cost of a T1 is around $500-800 in this region. How much more should I expect to pay to get higher speeds - say 6-8 mb. An easy way to estimate it is to take the number of T1's you want and multiply that by your base price. Sure you will likely be overestimating but at least then you won't get sticker shock. I have a single T1 at the office for about $450 (also includes 6 voice circuits) and to upgrade to a 3Mb bonded T1 would take that up to about $1200. I think once you start adding more circuits the overall price drops. for example a 4.5Mb 3 T1 bundle might be only $1500 and a 4 T1 bundle might be $1800. Those are of course just guesses but you see where I'm going with it I think. In regards to the fractional T3, I get emails from »www.bandwidth.com all the time and one of their frequent advertisements is a "full T3" for $1999 a month. Now the longer the loop length (the distance between you and the CO) the higher the cost so that is likely for someone "in the city" and close to the CO. I never looked into it but it might be worth checking out. |
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silentknight
join:2008-01-20 | reply to silentknight
Thanks for that information. I figured that about Comcast vs T1. I defin don't want to return to slower speeds but I might not be able to match Comcast either. Perhaps shooting for a speed of 5-8mb will keep me happy. |
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LBDSL
Lightning Bolt
VIP
join:2002-01-07
Auburn Hills, MI
| What type of a budget are you looking at?
Without knowing the location, and only taking into account your above cost quote for a single T1, you could be looking at $2-3000/month is that within your budget? Unless there is more to the story, that seems like an overkill for your needs.
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silentknight
join:2008-01-20
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This was the area that one was needed...just got a price quote of around 1700 for 6mb
6M - Powered By Qwest 1year 6M 1 Year $1,728.00
7.5M - Powered By Qwest 1year 7.5M 1 Year $2,160.00
3954 Mermet Road
Belknap, IL 62908-2324
(618) 524-2324
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RockyBB
Premium
join:2005-01-31
Castle Rock, CO
| be careful with bandwidth.com. sometimes they charge heavy install fees that other providers will waive. did their guy discuss routers with you?
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"Teleblend has an agreement with the Assignee to solicit and support former SunRocket customers." |
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silentknight
join:2008-01-20
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Yeah - this is the response
Quote "he pricing includes running the connection to the building, and it does not matter that it sits off the road. The non recurring cost is essentially the installation cost. You would also have to purchase or rent a router. To purchase the router you would be looking at a cost of roughly $3,000."
end quote from them |
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BandwidthNow
join:2006-03-22
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January 21st, @10:56PM
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said by silentknight
The cost of a T1 is around $500-800 in this region. How much more should I expect to pay to get higher speeds - say 6-8 mb.
You may find other rates by posting a request @ »ISP b2b etc |
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RockyBB
Premium
join:2005-01-31
Castle Rock, CO
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said by silentknight : The non recurring cost is essentially the installation cost. Did bandwidth.com quote you a specific amount for non-recurring cost, or are they waiving it? Will your company be able to purchase a 6M or 7.5M connection that is in the $1700 to $2100/month price range? Would you prefer to pay the carrier a few hundred $ extra per month to lease the router, or does your company prefer to make those types of capital expenditures and then do your own managing of the devices?
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"Teleblend has an agreement with the Assignee to solicit and support former SunRocket customers." |
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silentknight
join:2008-01-20
| They quoted me the following for non-recurring
6M 1 Year MRS=$1,728.00 Non=$1,105.00
7.5M 1 Year MRC=$2,160.00 NON=$1,375.00
Would it be better to buy the router or lease the router? It seems high to buy they said around $3000
24x7x365 Proactive Monitor & Alert w/ Reporting $0.00 $0.00
Quote Generated: 1/21/2008 ---- Valid until: 2/20/2008
Bandwidth.com Pricing Proposal
Service Address
3954 Mermet Road
Belknap, IL62908
(618) 524-2324
Also they said the following:
The pricing includes running the connection to the building, and it does not matter that it sits off the road. The non recurring cost is essentially the installation cost. You would also have to purchase or rent a router. To purchase the router you would be looking at a cost of roughly $3,000.
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RockyBB
Premium
join:2005-01-31
Castle Rock, CO
| said by silentknight :Would it be better to buy the router or lease the router? It seems high to buy they said around $3000 Do you have anyone on staff that is experienced in configuring that type of equipment and is qualified to manage and maintain it when circumstances change or when you need it repaired? Perhaps there is a local data equipment company that you do business with that is qualified to manage and maintain that equipment for you? Can you get budget approval to spend $1700 to $2100 per month for this circuit?
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"Teleblend has an agreement with the Assignee to solicit and support former SunRocket customers." |
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silentknight
join:2008-01-20
| I don't know anything about taking care of that kind of equipment. I do have a couple of friends that seem to know a lot more about this type of stuff. I would hope there would not have to be major repairs. Obviously any line issues would be taken care of from the provider. The equipment though is another question. I guess renting it comes with their techs taking care of any problems. Unsure on that - at least with that company we are talking about above - qwest. |
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RockyBB
Premium
join:2005-01-31
Castle Rock, CO
| said by silentknight : Unsure on that - at least with that company we are talking about above - qwest. If your quote is from bandwidth.com, then the company taking care of your equipment would be bandwidth.com, not Qwest. Only if the name on the bill says Qwest would the equipment be serviced by Qwest.
So do you have budget approval for $1700 to $2100 per month for this circuit?
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"Teleblend has an agreement with the Assignee to solicit and support former SunRocket customers." |
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silentknight
join:2008-01-20
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January 21st, @11:41PM
| OK - yeah the quote was from bandwidth - I noticed qwest was the provider.
I am wanting to spend between 800-1500 dollars - somewhere in that area. Depending on speed. Would REALLY like to get about 5mb and would be happier with 6-8. Like anything in life the cheaper the better. It doesn't appear there are many options in this location though. At least not that I have found. I am going to try and call this neon company tomorrow
»neondsl.com/local/components/scr···tailid=5
Not sure what is available for my area though. |
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RockyBB
Premium
join:2005-01-31
Castle Rock, CO
| we can only beat around the bush in this forum. There are rules against soliciting business and providing quotes here. I'm pretty close to the line already!!! You'll have to request us guys to get you competitive quotes in the other forum mentioned above by BandwidthNow »ISP b2b etc
I don't know what time it is where you are, but it's late for me ... so maybe I'll see a post from you in that forum. G'night.
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"Teleblend has an agreement with the Assignee to solicit and support former SunRocket customers." |
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silentknight
join:2008-01-20 | reply to silentknight
Ok I posted over there as well. Thanks for the help and conversation. |
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kingdomware
join:2000-09-23
Waldorf, MD
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I have 3 T-1s and a Comcast HSI line wan balanced together with a Edge2Wan appliance. If you are concerned with speed than the device does a good job of using Comcast for download and the T-1s for upload. You can even use all lines for downloading using a download manager. This approach saves us lot of money by wan balancing low cost lines with dedicated lines.
You can even get 3 Comcast HSI lines and wan balance them together |
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silentknight
join:2008-01-20 | There won't be any cable available in my area. It is in the country. Comcast won't come out that far. I did used Comcast when I lived in the city. They were fast. |
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