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| State Employees Working from Home Oh, that will be great!
You have state office workers, probably the second laziest workers around (federal is first), allowed to work from home. Let's see how productive they become. Expect the work output to drop by 20% to account for the 20% working at home.
Sending government workers, city, state, or federal, home to work is like give the fox the keys to the chicken house. |
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jr92gp
join:2001-09-14
Richmond, VA | Ever wonder why they are lazy? People with your mentality make the decisions on how much to pay. How could it ever be possible to keep a hard-working engineer employed at a state agency when they can make two times as much working in industry? Money talks and it says that state agencies will get what they pay for. |
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| said by jr92gp:Ever wonder why they are lazy? People with your mentality make the decisions on how much to pay. How could it ever be possible to keep a hard-working engineer employed at a state agency when they can make two times as much working in industry? Money talks and it says that state agencies will get what they pay for. Nah... lets do this like a true worker:
Job 1 - Do as little as possible, receive decent pay and guarenteed benefits. You know the place will not close.
Job 2 - A real job, with a real work load, with real expectations, with the possibility of being fired and the place could close at any time. But you are making more money...
A lot of people will take #1. |
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 Greg_ZPremium
join:2001-08-08
Springfield, IL | reply to raythompsontn
Come sit in at my Agency. Due to the Gov. cutting back on the workforce, we are doing the work of 3 people in some units, and our unit is understaffed by 20 people. You are contantly busy, so there is no downtime to just be lazy.
Matter of fact, if our agency was full of lazy people, we would not be getting equipment and Call Center upgrades to make our jobs even more productive. |
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 marigoldsGainfully employed, finallyPremium,MVM
join:2002-05-13
Saint Louis, MO
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You left one element out from Job 1.
Significantly higher probability of being sued and compelled to testify in your own defense but not allowed to place your own defense.
Some government jobs have nice security, but any decently playing government job has workplace pressures way out of line with similar pay private security jobs due to the public accountability aspects. And your salary gets published in the paper. 
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said by jr92gp:Ever wonder why they are lazy? No. It is obvious from watching them work. There is no incentive to do any better. It is not like you can go somewhere else as there is no competition.said by jr92gp:People with your mentality make the decisions on how much to pay. Wrong. I had nothing to do with it. I voted to keep the idiots that established the last pay structure out of office. But somehow they kept themselves in office.said by jr92gp:How could it ever be possible to keep a hard-working engineer employed at a state agency when they can make two times as much working in industry? For doing half as much work, with a retirement that is second to none it is easy to keep the employees.said by jr92gp:Money talks and it says that state agencies will get what they pay for. So what you are saying is that the pay is so bad the state gets the worst employees. I would go further and say that many of the state employess are so incompetent that they cannot get jobs elsewhere. The state job is a form of welfare. And their attitude when dealing with the public certainly reflects their incompetence. |
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said by Greg_Z:Come sit in at my Agency. That will confirm what I already know and have experienced. Why duplicate the effort?said by Greg_Z:Due to the Gov. cutting back on the workforce, we are doing the work of 3 people in some units, and our unit is understaffed by 20 people. I would say that you have it backwards. You were so completely overstaffed that four people were doing the work of one. Ever watch a road crew from the state and count the number of non-productive shovels that are used simply as something to lean on?said by Greg_Z:You are contantly busy, so there is no downtime to just be lazy. Most attempt to look busy. Ever been in line for a drivers license, waited 30 minutes, then have the line you were in shut down because it was lunch time? Immediate cessation of activity. Not an uncommon occurrence.said by Greg_Z:Matter of fact, if our agency was full of lazy people, we would not be getting equipment and Call Center upgrades to make our jobs even more productive. They are so non-productive that they need upgrades to make up for what is lacking in effort and productivity from the people.
Extra effort by people in the public sector is never an issue as it really does not exist.
Typical in Oak Ridge is 200+ manhours to replace a pump seal that in the private sector takes 4 manhours. I have witnessed such efficencies in multiple efforts and the script was generally the same.
There is no incentive to do better as there is no private sector equivalent, no competition. If the service is bad, slow, and incompetent where else can you accomplish the tasks required by the civil servants? It does not matter if it takes 4 hours to renew a drivers license as there is simply no alternative. No incentive to work better. |
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Greg_ZPremium
join:2001-08-08
Springfield, IL | For the D.L. question, at our facilities it takes no more then 10 minutes, and for Plate tags, no more then 5. Sounds like TN needs to streamline their system to make for a more productive system.
For the comment of agencies being overstaffed, that is incorrect, due to the caseload is heavier now, then it was 10-20 years ago, and the work of 4 is being done by 2, and it is not getting done.
It sounds to me that you have a chip on your shoulder against Government employers, and need to re-think your thoughts. |
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 HetermanPremium
join:2004-02-28
Fayetteville, AR | reply to raythompsontn
said by raythompsontn:Extra effort by people in the public sector is never an issue as it really does not exist. That's quite an assumption you have there. |
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 danawhitakerSpace...The Final FrontierPremium
join:2002-03-02
Urbandale, IA | reply to raythompsontn
Riiight. How many state workers do you know personally? My aunt works for the state, and she hasn't been given a lunch break for the last...three weeks...because there's no one else in their department who will handle/can handle the switchboard so that she can leave. Yes, maybe the jackwads who refuse to take the switchboard so that she can, you know, eat lunch, are lazy (or maybe they're just overworked themselves, she's serving as a secretary to such a ridiculous amount of people it's not even funny).
It's just bad to make generalizations about that. All my friends in the private sector spend most of their days chain e-mailing each other crap. If I e-mail any of them at work, I can usually get a response from them within 5 minutes, providing I didn't attempt to e-mail over their lunch hour or during one of their scheduled breaks.
I would love to find a job where I could work from home, but I think distractions would be a serious problem because I have a two year old daughter and no one else in the house is willing to leave me alone to even take a shower or eat. I tried doing transcription from home for a while, and was treated like crap by everyone in the house, so I'm guessing I'd have to leave the house to get any work done. Otherwise, I'd have people banging on my door and screaming at me every five minutes whether I told them to "sod off" or not (which believe me, is a very tempting thing to say to everyone except my daughter, who simply doesn't know any better yet that mommy is busy soemtimes). |
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said by Heterman:said by raythompsontn:Extra effort by people in the public sector is never an issue as it really does not exist. That's quite an assumption you have there. Bzzzztttt, wrong. Not an assumption. |
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said by Greg_Z:It sounds to me that you have a chip on your shoulder against Government employers, and need to re-think your thoughts. Not hardly. I have a passionate distaste for most government workers. I have worked on many federal and state contracts involving contracts people, compliance people, budget people, safety people, literally hundreds of people. With the exception of only a few most were more interested in protecting their job.
This was done by shuffling paper 5 times when 2 would have sufficed. Establishing road blocks to efficient processing so that office turf is protected. Multiple people trying to make themselves feel important when they were really just in the way.
This attituded trickles down to the lowest level of government at the local cities, just on a smaller scale.
It is all about protecting one's job, not getting the job done efficiently and correctly. Letting people work from home will add another layer of management incompetence to manage the incompetent workers. |
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Thank you for confirming what I stated.said by danawhitaker:How many state workers do you know personally? Actually I have dealt with quite a few and it was very frustrating in almost all circumstances.said by danawhitaker:Yes, maybe the jackwads who refuse to take the switchboard so that she can, you know, eat lunch, are lazy So what is the problem? You admit that the other workers are lazy. This just confirms what I said.said by danawhitaker:she's serving as a secretary to such a ridiculous amount of people it's not even funny). Because these people are two lazy to do the work themselves. They find more gratitude in making themselves important in their own eyes rather than actually doing any real work.
What you have stated is typical of most government offices. One or two that work, the rest simply protecting their turf. The lazy ones will be the ones that work from home and will actually do less work from home. Yet they will be the ones that applaud the success of the program.
More government waste. Accomplishing less while consuming more.
You see the government has a formula to maximize their resources. They create maximum waste with maximum resources using the maximum amount of people consuming the maximum amount of time with maximum inconvenience to the public. With all those maximums in the process what could be wrong? |
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marigoldsGainfully employed, finallyPremium,MVM
join:2002-05-13
Saint Louis, MO
kudos:1 | reply to raythompsontn
said by raythompsontn:With the exception of only a few most were more interested in protecting their job. Go back to what I said about getting sued...
Government jobs may look incredibly secure, but at the management levels they turn into low security high financial risks jobs. As you noted, that does interfere significantly with efficiency; but this is a function of how the public sector is designed rather than the people who are in it. Turnover is extremely high as a result of the constant burnout.
But I ask you this... in what private industry are most of the workers not interested in protecting their jobs?
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marigoldsGainfully employed, finallyPremium,MVM
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Saint Louis, MO
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said by raythompsontn:The lazy ones will be the ones that work from home and will actually do less work from home. Yet they will be the ones that applaud the success of the program. You have it backwards. The lazy ones never telecommute, never flex schedule. Never do anything that could result in them working hours outside of their required hours. |
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| said by marigolds:said by raythompsontn:The lazy ones will be the ones that work from home and will actually do less work from home. Yet they will be the ones that applaud the success of the program. You have it backwards. The lazy ones never telecommute, never flex schedule. Never do anything that could result in them working hours outside of their required hours. Aye matey. I stand corrected. |
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