xsiddalx
join:2005-03-11
Chicago, IL
 ·AT&T Yahoo
| reply to NY Tel
Re: What is the point?
said by NY Tel  :said by xsiddalx :Someone is making money here....GC may never need to charge if they stay below the radar said by NY Tel :This will work until Grand Central begins charging to connect these types of calls. It is stated in the Beta TOS that eventually, they will charge a "fee" for outgoing connections. For now, enjoy the calls. I also have a similar setup minus the spinning propeller on my head.  Yes, I know they do make money with all of the termination charges/fees/etc. etc. but I can't imagine someone won't want to "double dip" and get re-reimbursed from the carriers AND the end users. It is the way of the old "Bell System"... The problem is none of the carriers want to charge their customers for pure bandwidth/connectivity. They all want to double dip. The system is not restricted to Bell. The newspapers do it (failing model?), cable does it (failing model?), grocery stores do it (failing model?). Those are three easy pickings, there are certainly more.
I certainly think what GC is doing makes perfect sense and they SHOULD do it. It is just a matter of time before old arbitrage game ends and a new one begins Regulatory encourages some of this, but then again, so do contracts engaged by short sighted dominant players. How else would Cogent have a plan?
The BOCs are idiots (IMO), but their size and clout generally get them out of trouble every time (again IMO). |
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xsiddalx
join:2005-03-11
Chicago, IL
·AT&T Yahoo
| reply to Old_Grouch
Not sure how Indy works, but given that the cable companies are basically giving away voice through discounts, you'd think the telco's would give away video.
I don't think the telco's can give away video...but I do think the cable companies can give away voice. Video value comes at a cost, from the provider (studios, networks). Voice value comes at a cost, free, from the provider, the person you are talking too. Cellular companies have sort of capitalized on that by charging both parties, generally.
Think about how you can profit based on the cost.
I'm guessing the least cost route if the telephone customer that doesn't pay to receive calls if it doesn't cost the provider to terminate the call. Video is certainly driven in a large part by the video providers. How do the access providers drive the video distribution down in the same way that itunes did to the more boring part of the music industry?
said by Old_Grouch :said by Camelot One :I don't get it, why would anyone pay $40 a month for VoIP service? Seems that they'd offer it for free. If you take U-Verse voice, telly and internet aren't you completely out of the local (state) telecom tariff? |
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NY Tel
Premium
join:2004-04-09
Smithtown, NY
 ·VOIPo
| reply to xsiddalx
said by xsiddalx :Someone is making money here....GC may never need to charge if they stay below the radar said by NY Tel :This will work until Grand Central begins charging to connect these types of calls. It is stated in the Beta TOS that eventually, they will charge a "fee" for outgoing connections. For now, enjoy the calls. I also have a similar setup minus the spinning propeller on my head. Yes, I know they do make money with all of the termination charges/fees/etc. etc. but I can't imagine someone won't want to "double dip" and get re-reimbursed from the carriers AND the end users. It is the way of the old "Bell System"... |
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xsiddalx
join:2005-03-11
Chicago, IL
·AT&T Yahoo
| reply to NY Tel
Someone is making money here....GC may never need to charge if they stay below the radar
said by NY Tel :This will work until Grand Central begins charging to connect these types of calls. It is stated in the Beta TOS that eventually, they will charge a "fee" for outgoing connections. For now, enjoy the calls. I also have a similar setup minus the spinning propeller on my head. |
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xsiddalx
join:2005-03-11
Chicago, IL
·AT&T Yahoo
| reply to fiberguy
Sounds like the grocer that has a 40% off this weeks price sale.
Those 3 dollars pizzas are only 2.50 but at this weeks prices your save MORE.
It gets em/us every time.
CableVoip has a business model based, in part, on regulatory constructs. Most Cable was circuit switched two years ago.
ATT is responding to the game. Kill the circuit switch to take advantage of the new construct.
ATT wins, price the same or slightly less as the competitor for IP based voice services in an unregulated environment (it isn't considered telephone service).
The PHONE company hasn't been pure copper based voice switched any more than the Cable company has been pure coax based video switched....they have both, as you know, they've pushed fiber deeper into the network.
Frankly, once either of them have the ability to provide internet access at any reasonable speed, both can avoid the dedicated circuit switch for origination (maybe termination) purposes. Fiber or not..wireless via any tech provides the same ability, no? It's all a matter for the accountants, engineers and MBAs to fight out.
Then again...I'd argue it's all political...it is all price regulated or not. Both the telcos and cable companies have their crosses to bear at the expense (or benefit) of their monopolies. The only thing I'll give to the latter is that they were at least able to build a business on the idea that over the air tv couldn't occur with a "community access antenna". Both business models suck, but both are winning in America. We sell out cheap |
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NY Tel
Premium
join:2004-04-09
Smithtown, NY
·VOIPo
| reply to Dithers
said by Dithers :
You think $39.95 / year is cheap? I pay zero per year for incoming and outgoing calls throughout the US and Canada.
When I want to call out, I go the grandcentral address book at their website in my account, and click on the 'call' button next to the number I want to call.
Grandcentral tells gizmoproject to call my phone, and, when I pick up, grandcentral connects to the number I am calling.
No charge.
This will work until Grand Central begins charging to connect these types of calls. It is stated in the Beta TOS that eventually, they will charge a "fee" for outgoing connections.
For now, enjoy the calls. I also have a similar setup minus the spinning propeller on my head. |
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Dithers
| reply to dr3yec
You think $39.95 / year is cheap? I pay zero per year for incoming and outgoing calls throughout the US and Canada.
And the voice quality is excellent and the service has been very reliable for the past 6 months that I have used it.
How is it infinitely cheap? Simple, I got an account with grandcentral.com and a free number where my relatives live.
Then I got account with Gizmoproject.
Both the grandcentral and gizmoproject accounts are free.
Then I set up grandcentral to forward calls made to my number to gizmoproject, and set up gizmoproject to forward calls directly to my ata.
So when someone calls the grandcentral number, my ata receives the call and there is no charge for anyone.
When I want to call out, I go the grandcentral address book at their website in my account, and click on the 'call' button next to the number I want to call.
Grandcentral tells gizmoproject to call my phone, and, when I pick up, grandcentral connects to the number I am calling.
No charge. |
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switchtech
@sprintlink.net
| reply to fiberguy
said by fiberguy
I would expect Cable to sell a voip product over a switched one because of the nature of their service. But, for a PHONE company to want to go VOIP over their copper switched service is beyond me. Still, I have to say, to them, phone is phone. Since they control the line, as comcast and cable claims, I see no difference. For some at&t consumers, they will get a better sounding call and less static as well. Still, the price? eh.. can live with out it.
[/BQUOTE :Because telco switches are being upgraded to session switches and the like. You can take a 200x200ft dms switch with over 200 DTC's and 100 DTCI's, not including a few SPM's tossed in, replace it with 3 bays the size of a double wide frig and accomplish the same task plus everything is broken down into IP, which ends up being cheaper for hardware and upkeep. Plus, you can have soft switches all over, at other POP sites and switches where everything goes by fiber requiring less eqp over all. IP doesn't care what medium it travels on, as long as it gets there. The days of the DMS 100, 250 and 300 are history. Make room for the Nortel session switches and equivalent.  |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | reply to dr3yec
I used Skypeout, at $16/year, and it worked very well.
Downside: You don't get a phone number - only skype users can call you.
Upside: Unlimited Canada/US calling.
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fiberguy
My views are my own.
Premium
join:2005-05-20
| reply to got copper
said by got copper :
unless they plan to get rid of the copper :: scratches head ::
...but if they get rid of copper, then how will they send ANYTHING to the home... PLEASE don't make me laugh and say "via fiber" because we are talking about at&t here.. and I've had a good enough laugh in another thread already today. :P |
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got copper
@vianet.ca | reply to fiberguy
unless they plan to get rid of the copper |
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Corona
It's cool, I'm takin it back
Premium
join:2000-03-14
Aubrey, TX
| reply to Camelot One
said by Camelot One :said by lew_jean :My CallVantage is only 24.95 with all the taxes with unlimited calls Lew N4HRA ...AT&T's own CallVantage VoIP service is cheaper! Read between the lines on that one... |
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Old_Grouch
Don't just sit there silly DO something
Premium
join:2004-05-26
Greenwood, IN
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·AT&T Midwest
| reply to Camelot One
said by Camelot One :I don't get it, why would anyone pay $40 a month for VoIP service? Seems that they'd offer it for free. If you take U-Verse voice, telly and internet aren't you completely out of the local (state) telecom tariff?
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fiberguy
My views are my own.
Premium
join:2005-05-20
| reply to BodyBumper
Honestly... this is the AT&T way. If they jack up the price of their features, it makes packages look more appealing. Caller ID is $9.99 a month because it's the most popular feature next to voice mail.
SBC was never this bad.. they must have brought someone on board from the old, tired, dead AT&T corporation that brought this vast knowledge with them.
But, when you jack up the price of ala carts, and then you put them in a bundle, it makes that "You save X when you buy this bundle"... um, no kidding?
I would expect Cable to sell a voip product over a switched one because of the nature of their service. But, for a PHONE company to want to go VOIP over their copper switched service is beyond me. Still, I have to say, to them, phone is phone. Since they control the line, as comcast and cable claims, I see no difference. For some at&t consumers, they will get a better sounding call and less static as well. Still, the price? eh.. can live with out it. |
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BodyBumper
join:2004-06-21
Beverly Hills, CA
| reply to Camelot One
Maybe this is why AT&T jacked caller ID up to $9 a month for landlines.
The Message Center $8.95 per month
AT&T Unified Messaging(SM) $11.95 per month
Busy Call Forwarding $5.00 per month
Call Forwarding $5.00 per month
Delayed Call Forwarding $5.00 per month
Select Call Forwarding $5.00 per month
Call Return $5.00 per month
Repeat Dialing $5.00 per month
Speed Calling 8 $5.00 per month
Anonymous Call Rejection (ACR) $4.00 per month
Call Screen $5.00 per month
Call Waiting $5.00 per month
Call Waiting ID $5.00 per month
Priority Ringing $5.00 per month
Privacy Manager® $7.00 per month
Caller ID $9.00 per month
Three Way Calling $5.00 per month
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DrD
@embarqhsd.net | reply to wifi4milez
That's $39.95/year, not $39.95/month |
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dr3yec
join:2002-12-19
00000
 ·CableOne
| reply to wifi4milez
It has been many months since I have had any down time. It is in beta but I couldnt tell. For 8 months I been happy with this product. I am getting ready to get a second year for 19.95 for a year. So tells you I am more than satisfied with the product. Even if it doesnt last. Hey I have saved tons of money. |
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wifi4milez
Big Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
join:2004-08-07
New York, NY
 ·Verizon FIOS
 ·Sprint Mobile Broa..
·RoadRunner Cable
·BroadVoice
| reply to dr3yec
said by dr3yec :39.95 for a year* I stand corrected! That is a good deal, how is the service?
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banditws6
Shrinking Time and Distance
join:2001-08-18
Naples, FL
·Comcast
| reply to Camelot One
said by Camelot One :I don't get it, why would anyone pay $40 a month for VoIP service? I don't get it either. I mean, I got rid of my POTS landline and went cellular only because that landline was costing me $40/mo. for something I rarely use. If it came down to choosing POTS or VoIP, if both were priced the same, I would either just stick with POTS or use neither. And in AT&T's case, $40 is the bundled rate.
What is AT&T's major malfunction?
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dr3yec
join:2002-12-19
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