nobody2000455
@att.com
| reply to jgkolt
Re: Cool!
yeah your max user rate is at 60000 but your actually recieving or allowed 25216 as a whole now. years from now you'll recieve the whole 60000 or can i say 55000 depending on how far away from the vrad you are (we hope). the closer the better. it looks like your close if your recieving 60000. your four streams only uses about 15000mb (i think)  and the rest is saved for internet. which you can now max out at around 10000.  can i say wireless n reciever (i sure home so). :P it will help out with there crazy install times. |
|
Korkenzieher
@ameritech.net
| reply to MyDogHsFleas
I'm a central office tech for AT&T, formerly worked in the business office, and I think we'd screw it up trying to do as you suggest. You might try turning up a second POTS line on your second pair, then later calling to install your new U-Verse in association with your new POTS. This wouldn't have to affect your existing DSL. In other words, make sure you have a second POTS in service, or they'll mess up your existing DSL to give you U-Verse. |
|
patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| reply to MyDogHsFleas
ATT will terminate your existing ATT ADSL service if you goto Uverse, says in their TOS they can force change the delivery technology of anything they offer if its free to you. Also, in reality, you cant have 2 DSL technologies on the same pair. If your going to get a seperate line for Uverse, possibly yes then, not sure if ATT allows 2 DSL/2 HSI accounts to same address, or if you will have to play the "make APTs at your single family house" trick. Also if your have CLEC DSL right now, ATT will refuse to give you Uverse b/c of legal and technical reasons I THINK. |
|
bogey780
join:2004-03-19
Here | reply to factchecker
So in theory 1200kb/s is no more than 800kb/s. So why bother ever increasing speed?
Wanna rethink that? |
|
veloslave
Geek For God
Premium
join:2003-07-11
Pleasant Hill, CA | reply to factchecker
Based on you have 25 to start with... and then big brother tells you how much of and when/where you can use it.........
Same old pachell
--
Mom was right.... I NEED fiber! |
|
digitalfreak
join:2005-12-09
49533
| reply to OSUGoose
said by OSUGoose  :First off, before you blatenly flame AT&T, do some research. AT&T does have FTTP, mostly in new build areas. However, it is treated like its copper/DSL market to "provide a consistant experience" to all users. U-Verse is just the markiting term used for AT&T's FTTP/FTTN services, just like FiOS is Verizons marketing term. Second The distance limits are a lil longer than that, last i herd 2-3,000 Ft From VRAD, If it was 1,000 feet, at&t would go bankrupt deploying that many VRADs. The better question to be asking instead, is how are the accomplishing this, pair bonding? decating a lil more speed to internet from the TV portion? Well, he is mostly right.
U-verse doesn't have fiber to the home *THERE ARE SOME FTTP INSTALLS* - they run the fiber to those big, ugly cabinets that occasionally explode *TRUE* , then use legacy copper from cabinet to home *TRUE*. I think they keep max. copper run to 1000 ft *MORE LIKE 3000-4500ft, IIRC*, but that's what limits the speed. Users closer than 1000 ft can get faster speeds (up to 100Mbps if real close).
U-verse is a copper/fiber kludge cause ATT too cheap to run fiber all the way to home.*SORRY, BUT THIS IS 100% TRUE AND UNDISPUTABLE* |
|
factchecker
@cox.net | reply to bogey780
In theory, yes, those numbers work out. However, once one works out the effects of overhead, the change in effective throughput is hardly significant. |
|
factchecker
@cox.net
| reply to MyDogHsFleas
said by MyDogHsFleas :Not that big of a difference? Seems big to me. Objectively speaking, based entirely on the numbers, not all that big.
Subjectively speaking, based on user perceptions, it might be big. |
|
OSUGoose
join:2007-12-27
Columbus, OH
clubs:
 ·AT&T Midwest
 ·Cingular Wireless
·Verizon BroadbandA..
 ·RoadRunner Cable
| reply to nasadude
First off, before you blatenly flame AT&T, do some research. AT&T does have FTTP, mostly in new build areas. However, it is treated like its copper/DSL market to "provide a consistant experience" to all users. U-Verse is just the markiting term used for AT&T's FTTP/FTTN services, just like FiOS is Verizons marketing term.
Second The distance limits are a lil longer than that, last i herd 2-3,000 Ft From VRAD, If it was 1,000 feet, at&t would go bankrupt deploying that many VRADs.
The better question to be asking instead, is how are the accomplishing this, pair bonding? decating a lil more speed to internet from the TV portion? |
|
en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | reply to gaforces
In my area, the VRAD's are approximately every 2 city blocks. They're --
Canada = Hollywood North |
|
bogey780
join:2004-03-19
Here
| reply to factchecker
So if speed is 1Mb/s and the increase in speed is to 1.5Mb/s then the ratio of 50% increase will filter on through to the new speed.
Or in other words the increase speed suffers the same overhead increase and the changes in actual speed change directly proportional. They boost the set speed by 50% and the actual speed will be boosted by 50%. |
|
gaforces
United We Stand, Divided We Fall
join:2002-04-07
Santa Cruz, CA | reply to patcat88
Thanks for the info. |
|
MyDogHsFleas
Premium
join:2007-08-15
Austin, TX
 ·AT&T U-Verse
·AT&T Southwest
| reply to factchecker
said by factchecker :
After all the overhead, you go from being able to upload at around 880-900kbps to around 1200-1250kbps... Not that big of a difference.
Not that big of a difference? Seems big to me. For example, I have AT&T DSL Elite at 768k rated, and I peak at about 560Kbits actual data speed. That's 70Kbytes/sec. So a 20 megabyte upload takes 285 seconds or 4 3/4 minutes. If I could double my upload speed to 1.5M rated, presumably I'd halve my upload time to about 2 1/2 minutes. |
|
jgkolt
Premium
join:2004-02-21
Lakewood, OH
clubs:
1 edit | reply to ztmike
it is groundbreaking since its a dedicated connection and shouldn't fluctuate much at all. my 15 mbps time warner on the 15 mbps tier fluctuated from 2mbps to 18.5 mbps before i got rid of them. with uverse i get a steady 6.5 to 6.7 mbps internet everytime on a 6mpbs tier. What will be nicer is when you can have 2 hd streams and more sd streams.
Oh and my rg is connecting at around 60mbps
--
3 free for you/3 free for me: Free Stock Trades : PM Me |
|
factchecker
@cox.net | reply to bogey
After all the overhead, you go from being able to upload at around 880-900kbps to around 1200-1250kbps... Not that big of a difference. |
|
MyDogHsFleas
Premium
join:2007-08-15
Austin, TX
·AT&T U-Verse
·AT&T Southwest
| reply to patcat88
said by patcat88 :No, Uverse VRADs DO NOT generate any POTS signal. ...(snip)... Outstanding explanation! I now understand exactly how RT, CO, POTS, and VRADs work together. Thanks for the enlightenment!!
Let me amplify on my situation. I have two pairs coming into my house. Pair 1 has POTS + AT&T DSL (Elite). Pair 2 used to have POTS but now has nothing. There is a VRAD two blocks from me. I am Uverse eligible.
If I sign up for U-verse, what I'd like to do is to keep my current DSL in parallel with U-Verse Internet (VDSL). Then I can try it out and see if it works for me. (I'm concerned about latency, and how well it supports my VoIP service). This will leave me free to cancel U-verse with no financial penalty if VDSL Internet is not satisfactory. Or, if I choose to jump, I can cancel the DSL. In any case I'd probably cancel the TV portion of U-verse.
Could I accomplish this by simply keeping my current Pair 1 with POTS and DSL, and having them cross-connnect Pair 2 to the VRAD and run my U-verse over that pair?
Would the AT&T billing and provisioning systems be able to deal with that? |
|
bogey
@mycingular.net | reply to nasadude
You post here often enough that you know that to not be true. |
|
bogey
@mycingular.net | reply to ztmike
Pretty much the same? You mean they increased it by 50% (or 150% of previous max..pota-to/potah-to) and that's still not good enough? |
|
patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| reply to gaforces
No, Uverse VRADs DO NOT generate any POTS signal. All POTS customers will still get their service how they used to. When you order Uverse, they go into your local cross connect box (a VRAD will always be next to one), take your line running from whatever legacy POTS generator (Pairgain, Remote Terminal, CO) you used before, send it into the VRAD, VRAD has a filter to stop VDSL from going back to the CO/Remote Terminal, and then the VRAD returns the line back to the cross connect box, then the pair goes to your home. They simply feed the line through the VRAD. When you unsubscribe from Uverse, your line will be cut out of the VRAD, as to not waste a VDSL modem slot inside it.
This isn't like a traditional RT installs where suddenly one day you get a letter saying your non-Incumbant DSL service will end on such and such day, thanks for being a customer, goodbye, since you loose having a plain copper pair going back to the central office, and CLECs usually never put/can't put their equipment in the RT, which is the "end" of your copper pair now. |
|
gaforces
United We Stand, Divided We Fall
join:2002-04-07
Santa Cruz, CA
1 edit | reply to cwh
Ic, looks like they are leaving the old boxes intact.
Not that I have to worry about it, they don't look to have any plans for deployment here.
They try to sell me ATT satellite dish when I check on their site. |
|
