nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
 ·Comcast
1 edit | reply to Joe12345678
Re: Cool!
said by Joe12345678  :will U-verse user with fiber to the home be able to get even higher speeds? U-verse doesn't have fiber to the home - they run the fiber to those big, ugly cabinets that occasionally explode, then use legacy copper from cabinet to home. I think they keep max. copper run to 1000 ft, but that's what limits the speed. Users closer than 1000 ft can get faster speeds (up to 100Mbps if real close).
U-verse is a copper/fiber kludge cause ATT too cheap to run fiber all the way to home. |
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carpdiem
join:2001-02-11
Cedarburg, WI | Not true. |
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cwh
join:2006-05-14
San Antonio, TX | reply to nasadude
Actually new builds are getting fiber. So probably about 5% of uverse is FTTP from the start. The install limit is back to around 3000 feet right now. |
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bogey
@mycingular.net | reply to nasadude
You post here often enough that you know that to not be true. |
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gaforces
United We Stand, Divided We Fall
join:2002-04-07
Santa Cruz, CA
1 edit | reply to cwh
So what do they do for people over 3,000 ft? Are they putting new boxes in?
The way their network topography is here now, they have a box around every 10,000 ft in my town.
I am at 9000 ft.
Would I lose my ISP since they are reselling ATT circuits? |
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cwh
join:2006-05-14
San Antonio, TX
| This is going to 3000 from the new boxes they are putting in now. They are going to go with pair bonding sometime this year and I assume that that will basically double the distance they can reach. They are delivering a 25/2 profile now on a single pair at 3000 feet, so I think it is safe to assume they could deliver the same profile at 6000 feet with 2 pairs. |
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
·Comcast
| reply to carpdiem
said by carpdiem :Not true. my bad. guess I haven't kept up close enuf with U-verse. I can't get it, don't expect to get it and wouldn't want it anyway (unless it's the fttp).
the fiber/copper is still a kludge and the 3000' limit would appear to make it worse, even if they are channel bonding. this type of system will always be catching up to fiber, just like cable will. |
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gaforces
United We Stand, Divided We Fall
join:2002-04-07
Santa Cruz, CA
1 edit | reply to cwh
Ic, looks like they are leaving the old boxes intact.
Not that I have to worry about it, they don't look to have any plans for deployment here.
They try to sell me ATT satellite dish when I check on their site. |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| reply to gaforces
No, Uverse VRADs DO NOT generate any POTS signal. All POTS customers will still get their service how they used to. When you order Uverse, they go into your local cross connect box (a VRAD will always be next to one), take your line running from whatever legacy POTS generator (Pairgain, Remote Terminal, CO) you used before, send it into the VRAD, VRAD has a filter to stop VDSL from going back to the CO/Remote Terminal, and then the VRAD returns the line back to the cross connect box, then the pair goes to your home. They simply feed the line through the VRAD. When you unsubscribe from Uverse, your line will be cut out of the VRAD, as to not waste a VDSL modem slot inside it.
This isn't like a traditional RT installs where suddenly one day you get a letter saying your non-Incumbant DSL service will end on such and such day, thanks for being a customer, goodbye, since you loose having a plain copper pair going back to the central office, and CLECs usually never put/can't put their equipment in the RT, which is the "end" of your copper pair now. |
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MyDogHsFleas
Premium
join:2007-08-15
Austin, TX
 ·AT&T U-Verse
 ·AT&T Southwest
| said by patcat88 :No, Uverse VRADs DO NOT generate any POTS signal. ...(snip)... Outstanding explanation! I now understand exactly how RT, CO, POTS, and VRADs work together. Thanks for the enlightenment!!
Let me amplify on my situation. I have two pairs coming into my house. Pair 1 has POTS + AT&T DSL (Elite). Pair 2 used to have POTS but now has nothing. There is a VRAD two blocks from me. I am Uverse eligible.
If I sign up for U-verse, what I'd like to do is to keep my current DSL in parallel with U-Verse Internet (VDSL). Then I can try it out and see if it works for me. (I'm concerned about latency, and how well it supports my VoIP service). This will leave me free to cancel U-verse with no financial penalty if VDSL Internet is not satisfactory. Or, if I choose to jump, I can cancel the DSL. In any case I'd probably cancel the TV portion of U-verse.
Could I accomplish this by simply keeping my current Pair 1 with POTS and DSL, and having them cross-connnect Pair 2 to the VRAD and run my U-verse over that pair?
Would the AT&T billing and provisioning systems be able to deal with that? |
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gaforces
United We Stand, Divided We Fall
join:2002-04-07
Santa Cruz, CA | reply to patcat88
Thanks for the info. |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | reply to gaforces
In my area, the VRAD's are approximately every 2 city blocks. They're --
Canada = Hollywood North |
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OSUGoose
join:2007-12-27
Columbus, OH
clubs:
·AT&T Midwest
 ·Cingular Wireless
·Verizon BroadbandA..
·RoadRunner Cable
| reply to nasadude
First off, before you blatenly flame AT&T, do some research. AT&T does have FTTP, mostly in new build areas. However, it is treated like its copper/DSL market to "provide a consistant experience" to all users. U-Verse is just the markiting term used for AT&T's FTTP/FTTN services, just like FiOS is Verizons marketing term.
Second The distance limits are a lil longer than that, last i herd 2-3,000 Ft From VRAD, If it was 1,000 feet, at&t would go bankrupt deploying that many VRADs.
The better question to be asking instead, is how are the accomplishing this, pair bonding? decating a lil more speed to internet from the TV portion? |
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digitalfreak
join:2005-12-09
49533
| said by OSUGoose :First off, before you blatenly flame AT&T, do some research. AT&T does have FTTP, mostly in new build areas. However, it is treated like its copper/DSL market to "provide a consistant experience" to all users. U-Verse is just the markiting term used for AT&T's FTTP/FTTN services, just like FiOS is Verizons marketing term. Second The distance limits are a lil longer than that, last i herd 2-3,000 Ft From VRAD, If it was 1,000 feet, at&t would go bankrupt deploying that many VRADs. The better question to be asking instead, is how are the accomplishing this, pair bonding? decating a lil more speed to internet from the TV portion? Well, he is mostly right.
U-verse doesn't have fiber to the home *THERE ARE SOME FTTP INSTALLS* - they run the fiber to those big, ugly cabinets that occasionally explode *TRUE* , then use legacy copper from cabinet to home *TRUE*. I think they keep max. copper run to 1000 ft *MORE LIKE 3000-4500ft, IIRC*, but that's what limits the speed. Users closer than 1000 ft can get faster speeds (up to 100Mbps if real close).
U-verse is a copper/fiber kludge cause ATT too cheap to run fiber all the way to home.*SORRY, BUT THIS IS 100% TRUE AND UNDISPUTABLE* |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| reply to MyDogHsFleas
ATT will terminate your existing ATT ADSL service if you goto Uverse, says in their TOS they can force change the delivery technology of anything they offer if its free to you. Also, in reality, you cant have 2 DSL technologies on the same pair. If your going to get a seperate line for Uverse, possibly yes then, not sure if ATT allows 2 DSL/2 HSI accounts to same address, or if you will have to play the "make APTs at your single family house" trick. Also if your have CLEC DSL right now, ATT will refuse to give you Uverse b/c of legal and technical reasons I THINK. |
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Korkenzieher
@ameritech.net
| reply to MyDogHsFleas
I'm a central office tech for AT&T, formerly worked in the business office, and I think we'd screw it up trying to do as you suggest. You might try turning up a second POTS line on your second pair, then later calling to install your new U-Verse in association with your new POTS. This wouldn't have to affect your existing DSL. In other words, make sure you have a second POTS in service, or they'll mess up your existing DSL to give you U-Verse. |
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