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PolarBear
The bear formerly known as aaron8301
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join:2005-01-03 | Re: Moooo Better get some bag balm for those teats, they're gonna get sore! | |
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Neyland
join:2003-02-04
USA
| Re: Moooo said by Cjaiceman  :10Mbps? I can't even get that on Comcast, nevermind Qwest, they give a max of 7. I would not mind 10Mbps, but then on the other hand its from AT&T..... their anti-p2p scares me and I would not want that much filtration on my internet. At&t doesn't need to be my babysitter online.  Funny, best ATT will give me is 3 down 384 up....
Of course it's not 'dual' HD feeds it should be MULTIPLE HD FEEDS. The minimum it should be able to handle is 3. Record two to DVR while watching a third. | |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
 ·RoadRunner Cable
 ·DSL EXTREME
| Re: Moooo Yup..
AT&T will offer me 1.5/384kbps
DSL-Extreme currently has me at 3008/512kbps @ ~12,000' (on AT&T's lines)
AT&T rewired part of my neighborhood, after Edison burnt the lines, and ran 6 pair between the curb (50 pair?) and my house.
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join:2005-03-11
Chicago, IL
·AT&T Yahoo
| Re: Moooo said by en102 :Yup.. AT&T will offer me 1.5/384kbps DSL-Extreme currently has me at 3008/512kbps @ ~12,000' (on AT&T's lines) AT&T rewired part of my neighborhood, after Edison burnt the lines, and ran 6 pair between the curb (50 pair?) and my house. Yeah, the internet part is gonna stay low so they can satisfy their video distribution (I hear). Most people get along fine on 1.5 but the upload is the issue for things like photo processing uploads and torrents. | |
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join:2007-12-10
Lake Worth, FL | Thank G_d for the little competition Cable and Telco try to provide or we would still be at ISDN speeds.
My Cable service ISP didn't show up until one week after the BellSouth DSL service came ( after two years of petitions) go figure. | |
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PolarBear
The bear formerly known as aaron8301
Premium
join:2005-01-03
·CableOne
| Well I don't know why you replied to my post, but anyway...
This isn't necessarily about what speeds the providers are WILLING to give you, so your argument about only being able to get 7 from Comcast is irrelevant. This is about the speeds that the mediums are CAPABLE of providing.
With DOCSIS 3.0, Comcast will be ABLE to provide 100mbps service. So in 4 years when you're watching 1080i videos on Youtube.com and downloading 40-50GB Blu-ray movies from Netflix while TIVO-ing two HD shows at the same time, it will work so smoothly on your 50/10 Comcast connection that you will still be able to browse dslreports.com without any difficulty, while it will be impossible on a 10/1 AT&T connection.
Pretty much the entire argument against U-verse is that coax and fiber are still far from their bandwidth limits, and can grow as needed for years to come. Twisted pair is pretty much AT it's limit, and although it will work fine for now, pretty soon it will be severely overloaded.
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join:2003-07-22
Des Plaines, IL
| Re: Moooo but that 100mbps link is shared with other users in a hub like link to the headend also the cable tv boxes use the same link for there guide data, menus, firmware.
U-verse has a switch like link back to the DSLAM that has a big pipe back to the CO / backbone. | |
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join:2004-06-10
Austin, TX | Re: Moooo Well duh, and those DSLAMs will share whatever trunk ATT has to that office, so you have same problem moved up one step. | |
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join:2003-09-01
Royal Oak, MI
·WOW Internet and C..
| Re: Moooo All internet traffic on Uverse is on Sonet networks. There is no traffic on trunks which are copper facilities for office to office switched traffic. Trunks are dso level circuts and are typically switched circuts. Completely different technology. ATT is offering 10 mb download speeds in our area and uverse voice. The backbone buildup is the biggest push I have seen at ATT. I know this company, they will throw whatever resources at it until they are market dominant. | |
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join:2005-03-11
Chicago, IL
·AT&T Yahoo
| said by Joe12345678 :but that 100mbps link is shared with other users in a hub like link to the headend also the cable tv boxes use the same link for there guide data, menus, firmware. U-verse has a switch like link back to the DSLAM that has a big pipe back to the CO / backbone. U-Verse has the same topography as cable, or it is better said, similar.
U-Verse menus for video suffer from the same latency as satellite I hear (though I wouldn't give up my sat menus for cable). The field terminals with the DSL cards share bandwidth back to the CO. The CO may play a role or not.
The data network is eating the telephone network...it is more important how close to the terminal you are for ip services.
Short of fiber to the home, the telephone distribution system is looking a lot like the cable system.
It's all shared. The question becomes, how far out from the customer premises does the sharing occur? | |
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@sbcglobal.net
| Re: Moooo >U-Verse has the same topography as cable, or it is better said, similar
Cards?, no cards each customer has an IP address and a dedicated line from remote terminal to home gateway. from remote terminal to CO it's a 1 gigabit line for the shared content | |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| said by PolarBear :Well I don't know why you replied to my post, but anyway... This isn't necessarily about what speeds the providers are WILLING to give you, so your argument about only being able to get 7 from Comcast is irrelevant. This is about the speeds that the mediums are CAPABLE of providing. With DOCSIS 3.0, Comcast will be ABLE to provide 100mbps service. So in 4 years when you're watching 1080i videos on Youtube.com and downloading 40-50GB Blu-ray movies from Netflix while TIVO-ing two HD shows at the same time, it will work so smoothly on your 50/10 Comcast connection that you will still be able to browse dslreports.com without any difficulty, while it will be impossible on a 10/1 AT&T connection. You're not going to be downloading blu-ray movies from netflix. blu-ray movies are called that because the discs are read by a blue laser. Since when is a downloaded movie read by a laser?
Also Netflix isn't going to offer 40GB movies when most of the country still won't even have 10 mbps speed. Youtube 1080i? please. They won't even support 1.5 mbps bit rates now and most people that have internet have that. | |
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PolarBear
The bear formerly known as aaron8301
Premium
join:2005-01-03
·CableOne
| Re: Moooo said by BF69 :You're not going to be downloading blu-ray movies from netflix. blu-ray movies are called that because the discs are read by a blue laser. Since when is a downloaded movie read by a laser? I was referring to the CONTENT on the disc; just as we can download a "cd" and burn it to a blank cd, or download a "DVD" and burn it to a blank DVD. I figured a logical thinker would have been able to figure that out.said by BF69 :Also Netflix isn't going to offer 40GB movies when most of the country still won't even have 10 mbps speed. Youtube 1080i? please. They won't even support 1.5 mbps bit rates now and most people that have internet have that. The statements I made regarding netflix and youtube were PREDICTIONS based on the fact that the technology is available to do those things, they just haven't happened yet. And why wouldn't most of the country not have at least 10mbps speeds? In the last four years, the highest speed offered by Comcast nearest me has gone from 3mbps to 8mbps, so it seems logical to me that in another 4 years they very well could offer at least 20mbps, if not more, especially with the adoption of DOCSIS 3.
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DaMaGeINC
The Lan Man
Premium
join:2002-06-08
Greenville, SC
clubs: | Dude, go look up the word "hypathical". If you can not see that he was being hypathical. Then go back to school or something. Just go away. | |
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join:2002-08-22
Wallingford, CT
clubs:
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| Re: Moooo said by DaMaGeINC :Dude, go look up the word "hypathical". If you can not see that he was being hypathical. Then go back to school or something. Just go away. Dude, speaking of going back to school, I think you might want to try that. I don't think you'll ba able to find "hypathical" in your dictionary. You might want to try looking up "hypothetical". I think you'll have much better luck. | |
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@cox.net | Re: Moooo LOL, I couldn't have said it ANY better! | |
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DaMaGeINC
The Lan Man
Premium
join:2002-06-08
Greenville, SC
clubs: | Re: Moooo Har Har Har, Mr. Spelling B | |
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join:2008-01-27 | Dude - look in dictionary - it is hypothetical, not hypathical. | |
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DaMaGeINC
The Lan Man
Premium
join:2002-06-08
Greenville, SC
clubs: | Re: Moooo Obviously we all got the meaning of the word so drop it! | |
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join:2007-09-26
Westland, MI | Man...dont start these crazy rumors. ATT DOES NOT FILTER ANYTHING! EVER!
That is comcast. | |
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PolarBear
The bear formerly known as aaron8301
Premium
join:2005-01-03
·CableOne
| Re: Moooo said by KrK :Uh, AT&T Has announced their plans to employee filters. Not rumor. Fact. Well, then us non-employees should have nothing to worry about then  | |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
Premium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK | Re: Moooo Sorry, was tired.
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| HMMMM, their AUS allows capping. Hmmmm.
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Network Usage
Where an AT&T Service account, service or feature description specifies limits on bandwidth, disk utilization, simultaneous connections, and/or aggregate data download or upload, use in excess of those limits is not permitted without an appropriate change in account type or status and may incur additional charges for such usage.
Bandwidth, disk utilization, simultaneous connections, and aggregate data downloads/uploads will be computed or determined by AT&T from time to time in developing its product and service offerings. In the event AT&T determines that an account is exceeding the relevant bandwidth, disk utilization, aggregate data download/upload limits, simultaneous connections, or reasonable session times, the account owner will generally be notified by E-mail. If the excess use continues after such notification, the owner may be requested to upgrade the type of account or to modify the activity creating the excess use, or the account may be terminated.
If excessive bandwidth, disk space utilization, simultaneous connections, aggregate data download or upload, or session length is determined to adversely affect AT&T's ability to provide service, immediate action may be taken. The account owner may be notified by e-mail as soon as practical thereafter.
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58ef2c0
Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11
·AT&T Midwest
| said by attengineer :Man...dont start these crazy rumors. ATT DOES NOT FILTER ANYTHING! EVER! That is comcast. ATT filters at least three port, not the least of which is 25. Are you sure you actually work there?
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United We Stand, Divided We Fall
join:2002-04-07
Santa Cruz, CA | 35-38mb copper would be a good backup for fiber. Since it's already there ... | |
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