Don't see a problem here..... in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r19872583 en Fri, 29 Aug 2008 23:07:10 EDT Fri, 29 Aug 2008 23:07:10 EDT Re: Don't see a problem here..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19887341 anon :
said by MattE See Profile :

It's the script kiddies who leave uTorrent at 400 connections, or worse, 800+ and leave the upload and download to unlimited that cause the issue.
You have nailed it.

It would be nice if the client authors would simply write them so that you can't have such a ridiculously high connected peer count. There is, in reality, no reason that anyone needs more than 100 concurrent peer connections.

In fact, people need to learn that having too many peers can actually degrade performance.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19887341 Mon, 28 Jan 2008 04:05:00 EDT Re: Don't see a problem here..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19877400 james1 : I don't agree with openbox9's opinion but what exactly is the point of your post? Oh no! He's giving his opinion! How dare he? Amirite? I mean, he's only been a member of this site for two years more than you.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19877400 Sat, 26 Jan 2008 08:20:37 EDT Re: Don't see a problem here..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19876381 Camelot One : No one has issues with downloading. Its the upload they are blocking. And while people like yourself think that is fine, since you can still download, I'll remind you that without people uploading, no one can download.
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said by Karl Bode See Profile :

Weird huh? Companies who provide bandwidth finding out that people will fill that bandwidth? Outrageous.
Whats outrageous is the fact that said company is only protecting the network from VERY FEW people who are using the protocol enough to cause the problem in the first place. I can tell you I don't have problems with BitTorrent, but I'm using Azereus (misspelled)... I download lots of stuff, and I don't have any issues with completing the download... I think the issue is coming from the folks who host the file, and have 150 people hit them at the same time for the file, then the UBR rejects it by sending an RST packet. That makes sense, because BitTorrent is not bandwidth friendly, so on a 384k upstream, that would suck the life out of your connection.
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So, they sell you on a fast connection. Then cap you/block you/reset you/filter you if you actually want to use it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19875347 Fri, 25 Jan 2008 19:53:13 EDT Re: Don't see a problem here..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19874838 openbox9 : I agree that those tiers are popular in some part for those still utilizing dial-up. However, it only furthers my point that cost does matter and a large number of people are not willing to pay more for service simply for the luxury of having more bandwidth as lordofwhee stated.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19874838 Fri, 25 Jan 2008 18:13:06 EDT Re: Don't see a problem here..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19874748 knightmb :
said by MattE See Profile :

I try to respect the network though and I limit my torrent client to 100 GLOBAL maximum connections. I throttle it to only about 1/8th of my upload and download during peak hours as well.

It's the script kiddies who leave uTorrent at 400 connections, or worse, 800+ and leave the upload and download to unlimited that cause the issue.

I don't think BT would be such a concern if people were a little more respectful of the network they connect to.
I feel terrible then for leaving mine at a maximum 22,000 connections global then, but only because my router can handle that kind of load doing a 10Mbps download, plus the tcpip.sys hack for windows to disable the 10 half-open connection restriction. But, even with all of that, some torrents hit the 10Mb limit and others barely get over 50 kbps sometimes, so it's hard to say if it's residential customers only or if it excluded business customers like myself as it appears to me anyway.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19874748 Fri, 25 Jan 2008 17:59:43 EDT Re: Don't see a problem here..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19874689 MattE :
said by openbox9 See Profile :

The retention offers are to obtain new customers? More like to retain customers tired of paying high fees.
The lower speed tiers.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19874689 Fri, 25 Jan 2008 17:51:56 EDT Re: Don't see a problem here..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19874677 Karl Bode : Weird huh? Companies who provide bandwidth finding out that people will fill that bandwidth? Outrageous.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19874677 Fri, 25 Jan 2008 17:50:10 EDT Re: Don't see a problem here..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19874018 openbox9 : The retention offers are to obtain new customers? More like to retain customers tired of paying high fees.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19874018 Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:06:53 EDT Re: Don't see a problem here..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19873984 MattE :
said by openbox9 See Profile :

said by lordofwhee See Profile :

Simple solution: spend the bloody money to upgrade crappy gear.
ISPs are spending money to upgrade the infrastructure. Listen to conference calls and look at the balance sheets for the public companies.
said by lordofwhee See Profile :

I'd be willing to bet people would be willing to pay more for faster speeds (gasp!)
Relatively few people are willing to pay more for additional bandwidth, evidenced by the popularity of telecoms' low cost offerings of 768 kbps tiers and cablecos "retention" priced tiers.
The popularity of those tiers are for the remaining people on dial-up. They are there to get people to upgrade to broadband and nothing more.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19873984 Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:01:56 EDT Re: Don't see a problem here..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19873950 openbox9 :
said by lordofwhee See Profile :

Simple solution: spend the bloody money to upgrade crappy gear.
ISPs are spending money to upgrade the infrastructure. Listen to conference calls and look at the balance sheets for the public companies.
said by lordofwhee See Profile :

I'd be willing to bet people would be willing to pay more for faster speeds (gasp!)
Relatively few people are willing to pay more for additional bandwidth, evidenced by the popularity of telecoms' low cost offerings of 768 kbps tiers and cablecos "retention" priced tiers.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19873950 Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:58:08 EDT Re: Don't see a problem here..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19873755 lordofwhee : Simple solution: spend the bloody money to upgrade crappy gear. I'd be willing to bet people would be willing to pay more for faster speeds (gasp!), especially if that service didn't drop out every month or so for three days.

Oh, and it's $55 here.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19873755 Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:30:31 EDT Re: Don't see a problem here..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19873354 patcat88 : Yep, you pay with your bandwidth, guess why companies love to distribute things through it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19873354 Fri, 25 Jan 2008 14:37:44 EDT Re: Don't see a problem here..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19873250 openbox9 :
said by MattE See Profile :

I don't think BT would be such a concern if people were a little more respectful of the network they connect to.
What? Obviously this is your first visit to BBR :D Your statement is in contradiction to what many believe in this forum. Yes, if we did a better job policing ourselves, we wouldn't have to worry as much about somebody else doing it...like almost everything else in life.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19873250 Fri, 25 Jan 2008 14:22:57 EDT Re: Don't see a problem here..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19873186 TK Junk Mail :
said by openbox9 See Profile :

And if they didn't constantly oversell their available bandwidth, customers wouldn't be seeing 10 Mbps connection for $49/mth. The problem is, the old model of scaling and planning for network usage doesn't play well with a few abusers and some of the new applications/protocols being used. Additionally, it's not necessarily about bandwidth usage, it's also about the number of connections that BT brings to the network. It truly is a hog of a protocol in every respect. Cohen even cockily admits that he designed it to be so. It's a broken design that's become too popular to passively ignore any longer.
Right on every count. Bittorrent is cost shifting and nothing more.
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said by ninjatutle See Profile :

less speed slowdowns due to the pirate crowd.
I know it seems laughable and a cop-out, but my CentOS 5 DVD went bad, so I have the CentOS 5 DVD and CentOS 5 7 CD set coming down via BT right now. There's 10GB or so in one day via BT.

I try to respect the network though and I limit my torrent client to 100 GLOBAL maximum connections. I throttle it to only about 1/8th of my upload and download during peak hours as well.

It's the script kiddies who leave uTorrent at 400 connections, or worse, 800+ and leave the upload and download to unlimited that cause the issue.

I don't think BT would be such a concern if people were a little more respectful of the network they connect to.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19873107 Fri, 25 Jan 2008 14:04:39 EDT Re: Don't see a problem here..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19873083 openbox9 : Right back at ya...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19873083 Fri, 25 Jan 2008 14:01:52 EDT Re: Don't see a problem here..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19873033 digitalfreak : You again?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19873033 Fri, 25 Jan 2008 13:55:10 EDT Re: Don't see a problem here..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19873031 swhx7 : Please get your facts straight before you rely on a cliche to make excuses for an abusive practice.

1. File sharing is not only "pirates", it also comprises lots of legal users.

2. Comcast is blocking certain types of transfers regardless of the traffic amount. Customers are prevented from seeding torrents to non-Comcast addresses even if they're using only a little bandwidth.

If it were only a restraint of large bandwidth use, it would be less objectionable. The problem is that it's selective blocking of connections which only approximately correlates with any interests of other users.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19873031 Fri, 25 Jan 2008 13:55:05 EDT Re: Don't see a problem here..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19873021 openbox9 : And if they didn't constantly oversell their available bandwidth, customers wouldn't be seeing 10 Mbps connection for $49/mth. The problem is, the old model of scaling and planning for network usage doesn't play well with a few abusers and some of the new applications/protocols being used. Additionally, it's not necessarily about bandwidth usage, it's also about the number of connections that BT brings to the network. It truly is a hog of a protocol in every respect. Cohen even cockily admits that he designed it to be so. It's a broken design that's become too popular to passively ignore any longer. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19873021 Fri, 25 Jan 2008 13:53:12 EDT Re: Don't see a problem here..... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19872919 Camelot One :
said by ninjatutle See Profile :

less speed slowdowns due to the pirate crowd.
If they didn't constantly oversell their available bandwidth, there wouldn't be an issue to begin with.
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