Camelot One
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Austin, TX
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Re: Don't see a problem here.....
said by ninjatutle  :less speed slowdowns due to the pirate crowd. If they didn't constantly oversell their available bandwidth, there wouldn't be an issue to begin with.
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Navarre, FL
 ·Mediacom
| And if they didn't constantly oversell their available bandwidth, customers wouldn't be seeing 10 Mbps connection for $49/mth. The problem is, the old model of scaling and planning for network usage doesn't play well with a few abusers and some of the new applications/protocols being used. Additionally, it's not necessarily about bandwidth usage, it's also about the number of connections that BT brings to the network. It truly is a hog of a protocol in every respect. Cohen even cockily admits that he designed it to be so. It's a broken design that's become too popular to passively ignore any longer. |
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digitalfreak
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join:2005-12-09
Blacklick, OH | You again? |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Navarre, FL | Right back at ya... |
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TK Junk Mail
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Margate City, NJ
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| reply to openbox9
said by openbox9 :And if they didn't constantly oversell their available bandwidth, customers wouldn't be seeing 10 Mbps connection for $49/mth. The problem is, the old model of scaling and planning for network usage doesn't play well with a few abusers and some of the new applications/protocols being used. Additionally, it's not necessarily about bandwidth usage, it's also about the number of connections that BT brings to the network. It truly is a hog of a protocol in every respect. Cohen even cockily admits that he designed it to be so. It's a broken design that's become too popular to passively ignore any longer. Right on every count. Bittorrent is cost shifting and nothing more.
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY | Yep, you pay with your bandwidth, guess why companies love to distribute things through it. |
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lordofwhee
join:2007-10-21
Everett, WA
| reply to openbox9
Simple solution: spend the bloody money to upgrade crappy gear. I'd be willing to bet people would be willing to pay more for faster speeds (gasp!), especially if that service didn't drop out every month or so for three days.
Oh, and it's $55 here. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Navarre, FL
·Mediacom
| said by lordofwhee :Simple solution: spend the bloody money to upgrade crappy gear. ISPs are spending money to upgrade the infrastructure. Listen to conference calls and look at the balance sheets for the public companies.said by lordofwhee :I'd be willing to bet people would be willing to pay more for faster speeds (gasp!) Relatively few people are willing to pay more for additional bandwidth, evidenced by the popularity of telecoms' low cost offerings of 768 kbps tiers and cablecos "retention" priced tiers. |
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MattE
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Jamestown, NC
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| said by openbox9 :said by lordofwhee :Simple solution: spend the bloody money to upgrade crappy gear. ISPs are spending money to upgrade the infrastructure. Listen to conference calls and look at the balance sheets for the public companies. said by lordofwhee :I'd be willing to bet people would be willing to pay more for faster speeds (gasp!) Relatively few people are willing to pay more for additional bandwidth, evidenced by the popularity of telecoms' low cost offerings of 768 kbps tiers and cablecos "retention" priced tiers. The popularity of those tiers are for the remaining people on dial-up. They are there to get people to upgrade to broadband and nothing more. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Navarre, FL | The retention offers are to obtain new customers? More like to retain customers tired of paying high fees. |
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Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02 | reply to patcat88
Weird huh? Companies who provide bandwidth finding out that people will fill that bandwidth? Outrageous. |
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MattE
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
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| reply to openbox9
said by openbox9 :The retention offers are to obtain new customers? More like to retain customers tired of paying high fees. The lower speed tiers. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Navarre, FL
·Mediacom
| I agree that those tiers are popular in some part for those still utilizing dial-up. However, it only furthers my point that cost does matter and a large number of people are not willing to pay more for service simply for the luxury of having more bandwidth as lordofwhee stated. |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK | reply to Karl Bode
Isn't it amazing how they promise you everything but then get pissed if you actually try to take them up on it.
So, they sell you on a fast connection. Then cap you/block you/reset you/filter you if you actually want to use it. |
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Phattieg
join:2001-04-29
Jacksonville, FL
| reply to Karl Bode
said by Karl Bode :Weird huh? Companies who provide bandwidth finding out that people will fill that bandwidth? Outrageous. Whats outrageous is the fact that said company is only protecting the network from VERY FEW people who are using the protocol enough to cause the problem in the first place. I can tell you I don't have problems with BitTorrent, but I'm using Azereus (misspelled)... I download lots of stuff, and I don't have any issues with completing the download... I think the issue is coming from the folks who host the file, and have 150 people hit them at the same time for the file, then the UBR rejects it by sending an RST packet. That makes sense, because BitTorrent is not bandwidth friendly, so on a 384k upstream, that would suck the life out of your connection.
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Camelot One
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join:2001-11-21
Austin, TX
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| No one has issues with downloading. Its the upload they are blocking. And while people like yourself think that is fine, since you can still download, I'll remind you that without people uploading, no one can download.
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james1
join:2001-02-26
antarctica | reply to digitalfreak
I don't agree with openbox9's opinion but what exactly is the point of your post? Oh no! He's giving his opinion! How dare he? Amirite? I mean, he's only been a member of this site for two years more than you. |
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