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1 edit | Re: And people keep claiming bittorrent isn't primarily pirating said by TKJunkMail  :I think that " PIRATE Bay" being the biggest torrent tracker says a lot about the bogus claims that bittorrent use isn't primarily used for pirating(coyright infringement) music and videos. Maybe if they offered content at the price of 10 cents a song or movies at like $2 - $3 dollars people would pirate less. If they can move more quantity and charge less instead of charging more and selling less they would still make a lot.
Anyways, guaranteed half they stuff downloaded is deleted right away after they realize the content is complete garbage. | |
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Davie, FL | Re: And people keep claiming bittorrent isn't primarily pirating Yeah, and maybe if the government gave more handouts then criminals wouldn't rob liquor stores. Must be the government's fault. | |
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| Re: And people keep claiming bittorrent isn't primarily pirating said by quatrix :Yeah, and maybe if the government gave more handouts then criminals wouldn't rob liquor stores. Must be the government's fault. lol, aren't people getting $600 each from your Fed gov? | |
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| Re: And people keep claiming bittorrent isn't primarily pirating said by Warez_Zealot :lol, aren't people getting $600 each from your Fed gov? No, we're all being forced to borrow $600 from the Feds that the top 25% of wage earners have to pay back, with interest, the following year. | |
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North Andover, MA | Re: And people keep claiming bittorrent isn't primarily pirating Some people are getting money back that didn't pay an income taxes. What of them? | |
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Santa Clarita, CA | Re: And people keep claiming bittorrent isn't primarily pirating Never said the system is perfect. Problem there is liberals like Nancy Plasticosi pandering for votes from the illegal aliens. | |
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| Re: And people keep claiming bittorrent isn't primarily pirating said by bigunk : Nancy Plasticosi pandering for votes from the illegal aliens.  Huh?
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| said by bigunk :lol, aren't people getting $600 each from your Fed gov? Yep, but that's because we're overtaxed. They are giving us back some of OUR money that they stole from us. Without interest, I might add. All tax cuts and refunds are an ackowledgement that the gubmint has taken too much of what WE earned. Utter BS - US is one of the lowest taxing countries in the Western world.
It's nothing but a stupid, primitive attempt to fool people to think BUsh is actually doing something - it's a preposterous idea and has nothing to do with any kind of economic 'jumpstart'.
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| Re: And people keep claiming bittorrent isn't primarily pirating said by kamm :Utter BS - US is one of the lowest taxing countries in the Western world. It's nothing but a stupid, primitive attempt to fool people to think BUsh is actually doing something - it's a preposterous idea and has nothing to do with any kind of economic 'jumpstart'. Go back and read my first post. I never said anything about Bush doing anything. 600 bucks won't make me or break me. It will buy some beer and sushi. What I DID say is Plasticosi wanted the refunds to go to those who did not pay into the system. She is among those trying to buy votes for herself and her party.
But the fact still remains, any and all money coming back to we the people is simple overtaxation. We are owed more. Far more.
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1 edit | said by Warez_Zealot :said by quatrix :Yeah, and maybe if the government gave more handouts then criminals wouldn't rob liquor stores. Must be the government's fault. lol, aren't people getting $600 each from your Fed gov? Look, those Fed checks are usually only for the rich ones who does not need it - a.k.a. tax breaks - and this time these checks got a lot smaller and go for almost everybody... | |
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| said by quatrix :Yeah, and maybe if the government gave more handouts then criminals wouldn't rob liquor stores. Must be the government's fault. And if car companies charges $10.00 for cars, people probably wouldn't steal them!
I think you're on to something here! 
Gotta love how people justify stealing.
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| said by quatrix :Yeah, and maybe if the government gave more handouts then criminals wouldn't rob liquor stores. Must be the government's fault. Regardless of your stance regarding the legality of file sharing, the industry needs to stop thinking of P2P and BitTorrent as the enemies and start thinking about them as competition. They have to settle for the fact that they'll never be able to stop P2P - they'll have to compete.
I'll gladly pay a reasonable fee to download DRM-free content to my computer rather than muck around in BitTorrent or Usenet. I want to support artists. The industry just needs to be more reasonable regarding their pricing and use of DRM.
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3 edits | said by Warez_Zealot :said by TKJunkMail :I think that " PIRATE Bay" being the biggest torrent tracker says a lot about the bogus claims that bittorrent use isn't primarily used for pirating(coyright infringement) music and videos. Maybe if they offered content at the price of 10 cents a song or movies at like $2 - $3 dollars people would pirate less. If they can move more quantity and charge less instead of charging more and selling less they would still make a lot. Anyways, guaranteed half they stuff downloaded is deleted right away after they realize the content is complete garbage. How about for free:
»ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gUiU···8UE4GC82
Qtrax, which makes its debut Sunday, is the latest online music venture counting on the lure of free music to draw in music fans and on advertising to pay the bills, namely record company licensing fees.
Qtrax downloads can be stored indefinitely on PCs and transferred onto portable music players, however.
The service, which boasts a selection of up to 30 million tracks, also promises that its music downloads will be playable on Apple Inc.'s iPods and Macintosh computers as early as March. Copy to music players OK, but can't copy to CDs.
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| Re: And people keep claiming bittorrent isn't primarily pirating said by stltech :shame that Qtrax is down right now! They claim back up in 24 hours.
Please check back in 24 hours to download the first, free, and legal P2P music application. I guess when it hit the newswires their servers offering up the new software downloads got buried.
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Huntsville, AL | Re: And people keep claiming bittorrent isn't primarily pirating And thats what bit torrent was originally designed to combat.
Too bad everyone hates it so much, or you could have whatever file that is already. | |
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4 edits |  Qtrax site up and running; but check warnings at end of msg
said by TKJunkMail :said by stltech :shame that Qtrax is down right now! They claim back up in 24 hours. Please check back in 24 hours to download the first, free, and legal P2P music application. I guess when it hit the newswires their servers offering up the new software downloads got buried. Looks like they got the site up and running again:
»www.qtrax.com/
They have a message that their software download will be available at Midnight EST.
Of course, legal though it may be, it is P2P based, and depending on how they implemented it, it may be throttled by Comcast or other ISPs if their software tends to flood upstream bandwidth.
They say their software is developed off a Gnutella based platform: »www.qtrax.com/legal.php
QTRAX/QTRAXMAX is a free, Gnutella-based file sharing software allowing users around the world to make peer-to-peer connections with each other. But be careful what you share:
We have no control over the information and data being disseminated or contained on any Gnutella network. You are ultimately responsible for the material you choose to upload, download and share with others. You will be personally liable for downloading and/or sharing infringing materials or copyrighted works.
We are, however, conscious of the legal issues involving sharing of certain types of files and ultimately these issues will be decided by the Courts or an Act of Parliament/Congress.
In the mean time, however, we expect all users of QTRAX/QTRAXMAX to comply with applicable laws, to respect the moral and legal rights of copyright authors and owners, and to use the Gnutella network in a responsible and law abiding way. While ideas are not fully protectable (only the expression of ideas), users who do share their own ideas with others expect others not to steal their protected works. THEREFORE, DO NOT STEAL FILE TYPES WHICH YOU DO NOT HAVE A LAWFUL RIGHT TO OWN OR USE.
So, it looks like their software could be used to trade music and other files NOT on their list of licensed music. Getting you in trouble with the RIAA or others who may come sniffing around thru your shared folders.
They may not have all their LEGALITIES lined up as they said:
»mashable.com/2008/01/27/warner-m···h-qtrax/
»www.alleyinsider.com/2008/01/war···wmg.html
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| said by TKJunkMail :said by Warez_Zealot :said by TKJunkMail :I think that " PIRATE Bay" being the biggest torrent tracker says a lot about the bogus claims that bittorrent use isn't primarily used for pirating(coyright infringement) music and videos. Maybe if they offered content at the price of 10 cents a song or movies at like $2 - $3 dollars people would pirate less. If they can move more quantity and charge less instead of charging more and selling less they would still make a lot. Anyways, guaranteed half they stuff downloaded is deleted right away after they realize the content is complete garbage. How about for free: » ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gUiU···8UE4GC82Qtrax, which makes its debut Sunday, is the latest online music venture counting on the lure of free music to draw in music fans and on advertising to pay the bills, namely record company licensing fees.
Qtrax downloads can be stored indefinitely on PCs and transferred onto portable music players, however.
The service, which boasts a selection of up to 30 million tracks, also promises that its music downloads will be playable on Apple Inc.'s iPods and Macintosh computers as early as March. Copy to music players OK, but can't copy to CDs. »technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol···4556.ece
Guess it's vapourware. Back to BT. | |
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La Mesa, CA | What pisses me off is the $2-3 movies downloaded legally are usually complete crap. I can get the same thing at Hollywood Video or Blockbuster for around the same price. Especially with the coupons they send every month or so. | |
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| i like the idea of making music and movies more reasonably priced, but how are the singers and actors (or should i say brats high on themselves) going to feel when they realize they can't afford a third ferrari, third multi-million dollar house, or that their acting/singing is crap and isn't worth ~$20/cd or +$8/movie_ticket? you know they have feelings too. 
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| actually i have downloaded a lot of free music and software off of that site. Now when you first hear that the slant you will put on is it is copyright infringement but they do have a lot of music on there that is free and open to the public without copyright infringing content. Just because its free and on pirate bay doe snot mean it is stolen.
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| Re: And people keep claiming bittorrent isn't primarily pirating said by jgkolt :actually i have downloaded a lot of free music and software off of that site. Now when you first hear that the slant you will put on is it is copyright infringement but they do have a lot of music on there that is free and open to the public without copyright infringing content. Just because its free and on pirate bay doe snot mean it is stolen. But having 1 million copy protected songs and 100,000 non-copyright protected ones doesn't make them legit.
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| said by TKJunkMail :I think that " PIRATE Bay" being the biggest torrent tracker says a lot about the bogus claims that bittorrent use isn't primarily used for pirating(coyright infringement) music and videos. I fail to see how that says anything at all about the level of infringing content.
Exxon made another huge quarterly profit - that must mean they cheat their customers and steal from their suppliers.
without looking at what is seeded and determining what is OK and what is infringing, nobody knows what level of infringing content is being moved around.
unless you can site a reputable source (MPAA and RIAA are not reputable sources) that has done this, you're just blowing smoke. | |
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| They say right on the site they they don't take responsibility for what is tracked there. Anyway, exactly none of said content ever passes through their servers, so unless you can prove a copyright on .torrent files (which, knowing the current world, someone will eventually try), they're doing nothing illegal. | |
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| said by TKJunkMail :I think that " PIRATE Bay" being the biggest torrent tracker says a lot about the bogus claims that bittorrent use isn't primarily used for pirating(coyright infringement) music and videos. Your logic is completely flawed. Right now the biggest gang in Austin is Mexican. But that doesn't mean all mexicans are gang members.
Pirate Bay may be the biggest tracker, but even if you allow for every single torrent they have being pirated material (and some of it is not), that still just makes them just the biggest pirate site. It says nothing about BitTorrent as a protocol being "primarily used for pirating"
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| "And people keep claiming bittorrent isn't primarily pirating"?? Seriously? Can you cite examples where anyone makes that claim?
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